Having done so much to gift Farage and his chums Brexit by doing so little for
the Remain campaign in the 2016 Referendum, Jeremy C is back with a new party!
Assuming it lasts long enough, his link up with Zarah Sultana could well play a pivotal
role in handing Nige the keys to No 10 by splitting the Labour vote at the next election
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/jeremy-corbyn-your-party-zarah-sultana-wqv373cwh
Here’s the link for your name suggestions
I’m going Votey McVote Face
OAPless
or
The Darby and Moan Party
Raisin the Dead?
Yes, I do know the difference between sultanas and raisins, but Sultana the Dead doesn’t scan.
If I still lived in Coventry, the awful Sultana person would be my MP.
When I was growing up my MP was Richard Crossman
There’s been a few suggestions of The Fruit And Nut Party.
Jezbollah is another popular one
Don’t like Corbin much… bad hair… bad clothes… committee fodder… boringarsenalsecond… not funny… not remotely gear in the 60s… missed Rock ‘n’ Roll etc. etc.
It’s his fault for the disaster that is ‘leaving the E.U.’?
Are you George?
Thick (old, white) people in the country got Brexit through.
One thing – bit of a side-step but I think it’s viable… if he was anti-semitic, we surely ‘all’ are now.
Deramdaze: “I think the Israel government have gone too far, and already done two years ago”.
There, that’s me done for, what was I thinking with my patent hatred of Jews and obvious denial of the Holocaust with the above statement.
And I used to go and watch Wingate & Finchley (look ’em up)… didn’t see too many Israelis there!
Your dislike of Corbin is based on his appearance, social skills and his football team, rather than the politics? Ok. Whatever.
But would it not be the case that many, if not most, of those “thick, old white” people are themselves relics of the ’60s? (Who knows..some of those unspeakably awful thickos might also have later been fans of the No-Hits. No hope of redemption for them, eh?)
If it’s just the “thick” bit you object to, and as a old white person (like yourself) I’m pretty sure it is, then please be aware that is precisely the viewpoint that has driven many towards fools who promise the earth like Reform. Tell large parts of the population they are ignorant and they won’t want to vote for you, surprisingly.
The Propagrandpa Party?
Good luck to them though. Feed, the poor, tax the rich, end all wars, stop using oil, reintroduce student grants, make the pension age 50, prison sentences for misgendering, free broadband for all, make beef illegal – I mean, no Government ever actually implements their promises, do they? Go big or go home.
Cancel student debt, nationalise water and power, create a state pharmaceutical business…
Tax public schools…healthcare free at the point of use…
Its Just A Slide To The Left … And Then A Step Further Left
Moving Forward by Going Backwards
There Is No F In Chance
Think you’ll find that the Labour Party have themselves already “split the Labour vote”.
All those new Labour MPs from the last GE that just vote as instructed by the party and make not a peep about what their constituents are concerned about.
The Tories under Ted Heath were more left-wing than Starmer’s Labour Party is.
Why do you think all those “staunch Labour” constituencies in the north of England have turned to Reform and those in Scotland have turned to the SNP?
The SNP comment may have been true 20 years ago, but no longer.
One of the biggest (of the many) problems Starmer faces is that, in giving into his younger rebel backbenchers on welfare cuts, he not only lost control of the backbenchers, but also the respect of the older centrist MPs who’ve – up until now – loyally toed the party line.
Unless he starts getting a grip and stops with all the screeching U turns, it’s hard to see him and Rachel from accounts lasting much longer
Didn’t like what Starmer was trying to do before his u-turns but what was he supposed to do when lorry-loads of his MPs rebelled? He couldn’t remove the whip from so many so it was either u-turns or even worse humiliation….
It was pretty obvious that the proposed cuts, on top of the Winter Fuel debacle were politically foolish, giving the Tories and their press loads to bray about. Regardless of the total bill, relying on benefits to live doesn’t seem like the easy life that some would have us believe.
Total annual income for a single person solely dependent on a full UK State Pension after retirement is £11,973. Estimated annual income required for a “minimum retirement living standard”, according to the Pensions and Lifetime Savings Association is £13,400.
Meanwhile, the “UK National Living Wage” for a single person working the standard 37.5 hours a week would currently be £23,809 a year, assuming their employment is full-time with PAYE benefits like sick pay and holiday pay.
Not arguing against anything you are saying, just trying to , I repeat, say all he could do was U-turn or face parliamentary defeat
He had so many open goals. His response to events was to write long and boring letters, which were easy to ignore.
In the particularly chaotic period after the Brexit vote, he was near-silent on very important matters, leaving Nicola Sturgeon to do all the Leader of the Opposition work.
He had his chance and he blew it.
Jeremy Corbyn was not leader material when he had the job and he still remains unsuited to leadership. Labour doesn’t have anyone in a prominent position who is Leadership Material, in my view.
For some years Socialism and seemingly now even Social Democracy are dirty words inside the party hierarchy.
That might be because everywhere it’s been tried it’s been a disaster. Does anyone think the state owning all the means of production and private property being eliminated is a workable idea? Socialism is one of those expressions which means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean. In America it means health care for all.
Arthur Daley got it in one: “What you don’t seem to understand, Terry, is that socialism is something you do in the pub”.
O.E.D. definition of Socialism.
1. A political and economic theory of social organisation which advocates that the community as a whole should own and control the means of production, distribution and exchange.
2. Policy or practice based on this theory.
No mention there of private property being eliminated.
“The community as a whole” is not the same thing as “the state”.
Capitalism is not currently a roaring success either, except for the 1% who own most of the capital.
But anyway, both capitalism and socialism are concepts still stuck in the 19th century.
Spot on.
Andy Burnham looks promising.
For a party which describes itself as a “Democratic Socialist Party”, this shows the hierarchy’s contempt for the membership, the electorate, and democracy.
40% of the electorate didn’t bother voting at the last election – it will go higher.
The Fruitcake Party.
(Sultana, geddit? Oh, please yourselves….)
I applaud this.
If there was a General Election next week that little Trump-pet Farage and his merry gang of racists, thieves and liars would win double the amount of seats as the opposition combined.
He’s had no scrutiny and has carefully avoided committing to any proper policy platform. I’m not under estimating him, but I think with better focus on what he’d actually do his “lead” would shrivel. The BBC have him on constantly and never put him under any pressure but last week some ghastly Reform MP was on Times Radio and Kate McCann really pushed her and the whole story fell apart. More of this please!
Whether or not he’s scrutinised to within an inch of his life the type of voter (Brexit?) he appeals to would take no notice or not be arsed. The similarities to the orange headed one are startling or are they.
But there isn’t one next week. Four years is an eternity in politics.
YouGov published analysis a day or so ago that projected every seat in the UK. Reform had the most seats but not enough to govern, even with the support of the few remaining Tory MPs, who’d drop well behind the LDs (who along with the SNP gain seats). Power would rest with however the SNP and LDs struck a supply & confidence agreement, and there’s little prospect of that being Reform.
Much could change in the next 4 years, but it illustrates the problem Reform face with first past the post.
Can I suggest the Elderly Person’s (but still young in mind) Popular People’s Back to the Front not of Judea but Marching with our Left Foot Forward to a Great Golden and Glittering Future with Added Dry Fruit
The E.P. (bsyim) P.P.B.t.t.F.n.o.J.b.M.w.o.L.F.F.t.a.G.G.a.G.w.A.D.F.
I think Corbyn’s shown himself to be a very decent man, a very good backbench MP, a crap party leader. But if the next general election is held in 2029, Corbyn will be 80, so I doubt he’s planning on taking a strong leadership role, however the party fares. I assume his name and popularity are what Sultana values most. I don’t know much about her, she hasn’t really cropped up on my radar until now, but I would imagine she’s going to be the dominant force. If she’s successful, Sultana of Swing could become her moniker. Though references to “dire straits” might be best avoided.
Would Corbyn have broken diplomatic ties with Israel by now, I wonder?
…and banned involvement in the F35 aircraft project, worth £22bn in contracts for UK firms? I guess we’ll never know – which is his greatest weapon. You can promise whatever you like if you know you’ll never have to deliver it.
I don’t think the economic cost of banning involvement in the F35 aircraft project is that important (of course Corbyn would prioritise ethics over economics!), I think a more important consideration is how much would doing so help the people of Gaza. And unfortunately, I suspect the answer to that is: not one jot. However, in the face of international outrage at Israel’s actions, I think Starmer is increasingly feeling the need to find a way to distance himself from his previously announced position of unconditional support for Israel – preferably without actually doing anything differently at all.
Even Piers Morgan can no longer bring himself to defend Israel! Starmer has to do something.
Well, Starmer’s position that 21 months of Israeli slaughter in Gaza is fine, because its self-defence, has been rather disproved of late, when we see that the Israelis are now blatantly trolling the world’s collective impotence.
Still, while it would be something at least to see him clearly state he was misguided to believe the Israelis motives were pure and noble, the only thing the UK can tangibly do is convince the fat crook in the White House to do something decisive towards engineering a scenario where Netanyahu and Hamas are removed from their respective positions of power. Is there any other credible scenario for peace?
Every average Joe suffering or who has suffered on or since Oct 7 in Gaza, Israel, West Bank, Syria,, Iran etc etc deserves so much more than Corbyn’s performative pot-banging right now.
What would that “more” be then?
I took it that he meant more as in the sense of “better” or “more substantiative than”
Thanks Jaygee, that’s right. From what I can understand, a two state solution is the only long term scenario that will give us a tiny sliver of hope. The defenestration of Netanyahu and his extremist thugs, the removal of Hamas, an impossible to imagine degree of reconciliation and goodwill on both sides, the support of the int’l community, significant funding and nation building from Gulf states. All this will take a lot of heavy machinery to even begin happening. I personally don’t believe Corbyn or Sultana are the people who can exert the international pressure to help make it happen.
Especially as he considers Hamas (and presumably their objectives) as his “friends”.
That’s what The Daily Mail says. Let’s see what Grock says:
“Corbyn said, “It will be my pleasure and honour to host an event in Parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking. I’ve also invited our friends from Hamas to come and speak as well.” He also described Hamas as “an organisation dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people” and criticized the British government’s labeling of Hamas as a terrorist organization as a “big, big historical mistake.”
Corbyn later expressed regret for using the term “friends,” stating in 2016 during a Home Affairs Select Committee hearing that he used “inclusive language” to encourage dialogue about the Middle East peace process and that, with hindsight, he would not have used the word. He clarified that he does not endorse the actions of Hamas or Hezbollah, emphasizing the need to engage with groups he disagrees with to promote peace.
In 2015, when asked by Channel 4 News about the comment, Corbyn explained that he used “friends” in a “collective way” to facilitate discussion, not to indicate support for Hamas’s actions. He reiterated that peace requires dialogue with all parties, including Hamas and Hezbollah, a view he maintained by noting even former Mossad head Efraim Halevy supported negotiations with Hamas.”
I wonder if he still thinks it’s a big big mistake to call Hamas terrorists
@Twang
@Gary
When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
I don’t think he ever said it was “a big, big mistake” to call Hamas terrorists. But I get the picture. “Corbyn evil, dialogue with Hamas unacceptable, genocide of Palestinians justified.”
It’s very hard to have a sensible conversation with someone who extrapolates as wildly as that, Gary.
When it’s suggested that Corbyn is a supporter of terrorism a sensible conversation is not really on the cards.
I genuinely get the impression that you think Corbyn is evil, that dialogue with Hamas is unacceptable and that the genocide is justifiable. Where am I wrong?
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend” is a sentiment that can get you into a whole lot of trouble. This applies equally to all sides in the horrendously ongoing tangled mess that is the middle east and the Levant. Better by far to remember when you sup with the devil it’s advisable to use a long spoon.
Is it not (a little bit) comparable to Boris talking about our European “friends”, in interviews about his Brexit negotiations?
I’ll answer my own question then, shall I? Here’s the ‘big big mistake’ line Gary doesn’t believe Corbyn said:
And here he is saying Hamas is a terrorist group after all
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/18/jeremy-corbyn-calls-hamas-terrorist-group-after-previous-demurral
You’re quite right, he did call it a big mistake. My mistake.
I assume he said so because he believed it hindered diplomatic efforts to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Why do you think he said so?
Zarah Sultana is already on record since the new party was announced for calling out some Tory on Twitter/X who made fun of her surname. Perhaps she’d do better to simply ignore it? Of course it’s very juvenile to make fun of a name, but…she’s a politician, y’ know? God knows what she’d make of this thread. It’s not even an uncommon Muslim surname, especially in Turkey.
I was thinking the other day (dangerous, I know!) that Jeremy Corbyn as party leader was too inclined to get in a huff and sulk rather than fight back when quite viciously attacked.
Zara Sultana, OTOH is inclined to get into a strop about relatively minor stuff that she’d be far better just laughing off.
Neither seem to be well-blessed with a sense of humour.
The pooper party?
Per retro’s question upthread; it isn’t comparable because the European Union have never put in writing their intention to kill every Jew on the planet and their absolute rejection of any possibility for peaceful compromise.
There’s really no point having the conversation that’s unfurling above. The level of investment in defending Corbyn et al runs so deep that it doesn’t actually matter what he says, his supporters will simply find an interpretation, any interpretation, to make the problem go away. You can ask, for example, whether anyone can ever imagine Corbyn calling the comparably awful IDF his “friends” under the logic above, but it won’t even register.
We saw it only last week; in the space of ten days Diane Abbott referred to the IDF as the “Jewish Defence Force” and then explained to the BBC that she had no regrets about the appalling letter she wrote to the Observer two years ago (for which she had previously apologised) suggesting that Jewish people don’t experience racism. The internet is now full of people defending Abbott and frantically re-spinning her words, because Diane Abbott is of course a Good Person, who is so opposed to racism that she could never be guilty of it, even when she says and does things that would be considered glaring evidence of deeply suspect politics in almost any other case.
It’s why there’s also not much point discussing this new political party. It will either succeed or fail, but either way its supporters will simply redefine their own conditions of success accordingly. In much the same way that, having told all of us repeatedly in 2019 that a vote for anyone but Labour was a vote for Boris Johnson, the same logic will simply not apply viz Farage at the next election. Debating with people to whom logic and principle are this negotiable is like attempting to nail porridge to the wall – there will always be another tangent, another accusation of bad faith, another media conspiracy, to prevent any argument from ever being properly held to account.
All of that said it is at least darkly ironic that Grok is apparently the information source of choice for this particular discussion.
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20250710-elon-musk-s-grok-chatbot-praises-hitler-and-spews-racist-responses
I’m reminded of “Country of the Blind”
“She met Rob at university in London, after a meeting at the student union to discuss plans for protest about some reactionary outrage that she couldn’t now remember. It had been one of the first such events she attended, a hall full of young people desperately looking for a common cause and a set of shared beliefs; what they needed wasn’t politics, it was religion. There was an overwhelming sincerity and worthiness, earnestness about it all, a reverence that seemed, well, again, religious. Until, of course, the SWP mob fell out with the RCP over some minute point of interpreted socialist principle, and the Labour Group got shirty with the Marxist Group about what slogans to put on their placards, and the Intergalactic Socialists for a Marxist Universe started a spat with the Vegan Organic Hamster Protection League… And so on.
Her older flatmate, Pippa, who was in her final year and had been round the houses with this stuff before, had sung her a song when she announced her intention to attend:
One Trot faction, sitting in a hall,
One Trot faction, sitting in a hall,
And if one Trot faction, should have a nasty squall,
There’ll be two Trot factions, sitting in a hall.
Two Trot factions… “
You have to love the enthusiasm of over 300,000 people who’ve signed up for a party that promises change but little else, other than a big Donate button on the website. Lots of strong language around access to healthcare, supporting low paid workers, and affordable energy.
But enough about Reform. At least they have a name.
The wheels didn’t take long to come off that particular clown car…
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/your-party-email-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana-membership-b2829149.html
Going back to the OP, it looks like they’ve eventually settled on “Not Your Party”. It has a familiar ring to it.
I thought it was going to be “Donate!”
I refer the Hon Gen to my prescient earlier Brookmyre comment
Zarah Sultana will now form “You And Whose Party”
Ta Da! After months of speculation, the shortlist is revealed:
Popular Alliance
People’s Front
Your Party
Our Party
For the Many
All a bit pony for me. None of them have any inbuilt connotation other than the faintly amusing People’s Front. Shades of John Cleese.
Splitters!
Indeed as Sultana and Corbyn held separate events on the opening day
There will be two new parties. It’s not your party and It’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to.
So to recap: Before their first conference, the Unnamed Left have lost two of their six MPs, one of them citing “a toxic culture towards Muslim men”. One of the two leaders has called the party a ‘Sexist Boys club” and set up her own membership portal so she’s got all the £800,000 that gullible idiots handed over. The other leader has been accused of going missing on his allotment for days on end. Now today one of these leaders has – you have to read this twice to believe it – boycotted her own inaugural conference because the other leader, our old friend Mr Corbyn, has been purging socialists from the membership. And then still don’t even have a name. Meanwhile… Farage.
And also meanwhile… Polanski’s coming on the stage! Quite literally! With Rizzle Kicks (a relatively new act in the hip-hop genre who are popular with the younger generation).
Indeed, and how wonderful Gary that you as the Afterword’s in-house apologist for the Corbyn Left and me as an ashamed Starmer Centrist should find common ground in our admiration for Zack.
Don’t forget Rizzle Kicks.
yeah no you’ve ruined it now
It will be interesting to see how the socially conservative Muslim voters who supported Green candidates on the basis of their Gaza stance view the Greens position on trans people, amongst other things.
Many Muslims in the UK, socially conservative or not, surprisingly possess enough intelligence to differentiate trans rights issues and Gaza.
Fabulous Moreton Morland cartoon on this very issue in today’s Sunset Times
(not paywalled)
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/cartoons/article/morten-morlands-sunday-times-cartoon-november-30-2025-lss6rm3qq
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