So share some clips and stories to celebrate that will encourage me to investigate further. Whatever you think of him and his music his legacy and legend is undeniable. Astonishing to think this clip was from the year I was born and he’s still at it….
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mikethep says
And two years before that, there was this – the first single. Doesn’t get a lot of attention these days, but not half bad, particularly live as here. I bought it 60 years ago, very possibly after I heard them do it on Saturday Club.
dai says
Beat me to it. This is their greatest single in my opinion (and a shit hot video from Michael Lindsay-Hogg). I could play this every day and never tire of it
Baron Harkonnen says
Can’t stand the guy 😖
H.P. Saucecraft says
Luckily no-one of any importance reads the Afterword, so you’re safe.
Dave Ross says
Hey! You! Get off my cloud…
SteveT says
Why is that? A legendary British singer in perhaps the best rock and roll band this country has produced.
H.P. Saucecraft says
This country? Any country. And no perhaps about it. No other band comes close.
SteveT says
I am inclined to agree but was trying to reason with @Baron-Harkonnen – probably a ridiculous proposition. I know he was a fan but sold their records in a fit of pique. No doubt Jagger slighted him in some way – didn’t send a birthday card or summat.
Baron Harkonnen says
Steven, after the sad passing of Charlie I was disgusted with jagger and richard’s actions at the time and I’m still disgusted.
That’s my reaction and resulting opinion which I’m quite entitled to. In my comment above I don’t remember commenting on the music which by the reaction of a one or two above including yourself Steven seems to think I did.
H.P. Saucecraft says
If you were expecting human warmth and charity from Jagger, you haven’t quite understood how he’s managed to survive.
(And just a note – can’t you relax into a conversation a little more?)
slotbadger says
What did Mick and Keef do that was so bad? I saw their tributes and it was clear they were hardly celebrating Charlie’s passing.
Diddley Farquar says
Apparently they missed the funeral but there was a valid reason given to do with being in US and it was about covid and that affected the whole band. Anyway how can we know how a person feels and reacts to a friend’s death just because it isn’t shown? We don’t know and why should we? How can we judge? By all accounts Mick and Charlie were close. Nothing to do with us really.
dai says
Mick and Charlie were pretty close to best friends, (at least within the band) they went to the cricket together, worked together on stage sets for tours and generally got on famously. And the tribute at the start of the subsequent concerts was lovely. I am sure Mick was devastated by his passing (and still is). Keith appeared to be in tears at the first show without him, Mick held his hand
slotbadger says
Well yes exactly he was clearly deeply mourned by them
all but it was clearly devastating for Mick and Keith. I was incredibly sad and I’d never met the bloke.
SteveT says
I thought their response to his passing was pretty reverential and in the concerts that ensued he was warmly remembered.
I think you will find it was pretty difficult to have pulled out of the tour and it wouldn’t have been what the fans wanted that’s for sure.
dai says
The tour was already setup with a replacement drummer before he died as Charlie was not feeling too good. He gave Steve Jordan his blessing
noisecandy says
I can remember hearing ‘Satisfaction’ on the radio in 1965 when I was 6 years old. I asked my mum what ‘satisfaction’ meant and she replied “when you’re pleased with something”. I’m still not sure if she knew what Jagger was alluding to. My friend Terry had the single and played me the b-side. I can distinctly remember Jagger singing the lyric “she was common, flirty, she looked about thirty”. One of the greatest b-sides of all time I think.
Henry Haddock says
Puts me in mind of the Rod Stewart lyric:
“She was tall, thin and tarty/And she drove a Maserati”
Junior Wells says
Nick Roeg’s movie Performance
myoldman says
While we’re on Performance
Vincent says
And that’s the Daddy.
myoldman says
Still probably my favourite thing they ever did. Great vocals, and the piano and guitar intro still sounds like nothing else
fentonsteve says
Dave, just hear the 3CD set of As and Bs from 1963 to 1970, Singles Collection: The London Years, which came out in 1989, and rather usurped the ‘comeback’ album Steel Wheels.
There’s not much outside of this that you really need to hear.
SteveT says
Fantastic best of collection of that era but I still think Sticky Fingers and Some Girls take some beating.
dai says
Not true at all:
Beggars Banquet
Let it Bleed
Sticky Fingers
Exile on Main St
Probably Some Girls too.
Tiggerlion says
Don’t underestimate The Goat. 😀
This song is quite probably the most unusual in their whole catalogue.
Rigid Digit says
I quite like Black and Blue.
Then again, I also think Steel Wheels is a good album
dai says
I like Voodoo Lounge too
Fifer says
I’m with you there Dai. Some really good tracks, esp. Blinded By Rainbows and Mean Disposition.
dai says
Baby Break it down, Love is Strong, Out of Tears …
fentonsteve says
Yes, true – I said “not much”, not “nothing”.
FWIW, I agree with your first three, but the fourth is likely to be too much like hard work to a Stones newbie.
Captain Darling says
Two of my favourites: Paint It, Black, and Has Anybody Seen My Baby? (featuring bonus Angelina Jolie!). It’s remarkable that these songs were released 31 years apart, and even now, 26 years after HASMB?, the Stones are still going strong-ish.
I’ve got a lot of time for Mick. He has a unique voice, is still a great live performer, and is half of one of the most successful writing double acts of all time. And his lifestyle is exactly the sort you expect from rock stars: jail term, a string of wives/better halves, art collection, so-so solo albums, “acting” (although he’s good in Performance), fabulous houses, etc.
Long may he strut like a (little red) rooster.
jezk says
seanioio says
I saw the Stones in 1999 & remember lots of jibes about how old they were & they should give it up etc. Amazing to think he was a sprightly 56 back then & love that he is still going strong!
This is still my go to track
Hamlet says
I still have a copy of Q magazine from 1989, where the Stones-featuring headline says ‘Lock up your grandmothers!’ Jagger was only about 46, for Gawd sake! Keith looks positively cherubic. They’ve normalised keeping going – for good or bad, depending on your view (entirely their choice, I say).
If you think of a rock frontman, you have to say he’s pretty much defined it. From their later years, I have to say I really like this:
Dave Ross says
This thread will turn into my definitive Rolling Stones playlist. Keep them coming…
Bargepole says
Tiggerlion says
You beat me to it. Psychedelia didn’t suit The Stones but that is their prettiest song and very beautiful (shout for Nicky Hopkins on piano).
Black Type says
Remember him this way.
Captain Darling says
Thanks for that – haven’t seen it in years. Phil Cornwell really nails Mick’s voice, and the way it can go from fairly high and thin to deep and low, all in one sentence (sometimes all in one word). John Sessions (RIP) is maybe a little too posh as Keith, but he gets the laugh just right, and the slurred “disssstttrrriiibbbuuutttoorrss” cracked me up.
Two great funny men with great material.
Fifer says
Album 1, Side1, Track 1 – and I was hooked. Still am!
fitterstoke says
Apologies if this is duplicating anything above (I’m seeing some black screens) but, contrarian that I am, here’s two bangers from their most reviled album:
H.P. Saucecraft says
It used to be their most reviled album, back when it was thought they were bandwagon jumping, and “copying the Beatles”. Recording sessions for it and Pepper overlapped, so copying the Phabs would have required instant leaps between the studios. What they were doing was being inspired by (oh dear) the zeitgeist, as were the Beatles. It’s possible to like both albums, or prefer one over the other, but they each have their individual character, and interpret the ‘sixties in their own way. Satanic has enjoyed a well-deserved re-assessment over the years, and is seen for what it is, a unique and strange one-off from the band we’re lucky to have.
Their most reviled album is probably Dirty Work (there are other contenders), which gets a good kicking because it sounds like an ‘eighties album. It was ’86, when music sounded like it was recorded in the ‘eighties. Duh.
They have never made a bad album. Some below-par product, but they set the bar higher than anybody. Some dull live albums, but that’s about it.
dai says
Yes, at least half of TSMR is superb.
fitterstoke says
Well, I always liked it – that’s why I posted these toons. It might have been reassessed, although I’m not sure it’s “up there” for the majority…
But I take your point about Dirty Work.
Arthur Cowslip says
Well…. I love the album dearly but you really can’t say they weren’t copying the Beatles a fair bit. Maybe no more than any other acts at the time, but it was still blatant. So I cry ‘objection’ to you.
Yes, technically the sessions overlapped with Pepper, but:
(1) they WERE leaping between the studios and sitting in on (and contributing to) many Pepper and post-Pepper sessions, so they definitely knew what the Beatles were up to, and
(2) unlike the Pepper sessions (which were full on and we’re completed by the early summer) the Satanic Majesties sessions were sporadic and broken up by interruptions like tours and drug busts. Pepper came out in June, and you can trace all the Pepper-y songs and touches being added to Satanic Majesties after that (Sing This All Together, On With The Show, the cover, the title…)… Totally piggybacking on the Pepper vibe.
There’s just no way that they weren’t directly influenced by (copying) the Beatles. No shame in that, many others did. If not for Pepper I truly believe Satanic Majesties would have been a different album, and I can see why people commented on the similarity at the time.
I rest my case, m’lud.
H.P. Saucecraft says
“Technically the sessions overlapped with Pepper” = “the sessions overlapped with Pepper”. No “technically” necessary. They were happening at the same time. Both albums were influenced by the times, picking up what was happening on the West Coast, specifically the influence of LSD on pop culture. Neither group invented psychedelia. It’s hard to point to anything on Satanic that actually copies Pepper – the songs you cite do not, could refer back to other contemporary groups, and how do the cover and the title ape Pepper? It’s much easier to hear how the Stones take on LSD was very different to the Phabs, much darker. None of the granny-pleasing sentimentality of “She’s Leaving Home” and “When I’m Sixty Four” (both about as psychedelic as Val Doonican’s cardigan (TMFTL)). The problem here is not the calendar dates of Satanic, but – as ever – the proprietorial attitude of Phabs Phans, unable to see the wider context for Pepper, musical and visual, unwilling to relinquish the belief that their darlings invented everything. Donovan quite rightly gets a lot of stick around here, but he was doing his version of Pepper before Pepper came out, and you might just as well argue that the Beatles were “copying” him. “People commented on the similarity at the time”, well of course they did. Psychedelia shares a distinctive look and a sound (cue lists of other contemporary psych albums).
dai says
Yes I don’t hear it at all, apart from including a reprise and a lavish cover (which included the fabs). The Stones album is actually far more psychedelic than Pepper. Maybe some music hall type similarities too, but they had already done that on Between the Buttons which preceded Pepper by several months.
They were however floundering a bit at the time, Brian was gone (but not physically), Oldham was no longer needed and (like the Fabs) they stopped touring for a few years.
The first notes of Jumpin Jack Flash the following year signalled their rebirth.
Not on the album, but concurrent, I think this is one of their greatest singles.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Something else that occurred to me in the shower (as it will); at the time, your average Phabs/Stones fan didn’t have the wider context of psychedelic culture that both groups were privy to, either. They got glimpses of it from record shop windows. And at the time, there was a big Beatles vs. Stones tribal war going on, so when Satanic came out after Pepper, Phabs Phans jeered and pointed, claiming copyright infringement, and it’s an attitude that persists to this day in certain dusty corners of the internet.
Isn’t it time we (and by “we” I mean Arthur Cowslip) moved on? Can we not share our world, before we’re all burnt to a crisp, with both albums, celebrating at once their diversity and contiguity?
Rigid Digit says
Living In A Ghost Town from a couple of years ago was pretty good
slotbadger says
This is one of the best Stones clips Ive ever seen – Frost’s genteel audience being confronted with the TV debut of Sympathy for the Devil, our man in full on panto-Satan mode. When he pulls his top off at the end – before Frost announces that they’ll be back after the break with John Betjeman.
Junior Wells says
High Tide and Green Grass my initiation to the blues. This track and Brian’s slide hypnotised me.
Cookieboy says
This is from 2005 which makes it as modern as tomorrow to me
jazzjet says
Worth remembering is that Mick and the rest of the Stones pretty much invented rock aristocracy and the decadent and louche lifestyle implied. Plus they hung out with actual aristocracy and had a prince as their financial manager – Prince Rupert Loewenstein.
There’s a bit in the new Richard Morton Jack Nick Drake book where Nick is bumming around Morocco at the same time as the Stones were staying in a luxurious hotel and they ask him to play for them.
Diddley Farquar says
I think the Stones were more innovative than they are often given credit for. Dismissed as blues copyists by wrong thinking know nothings. They were able to take all kinds of influences and make them their own to use X Factor parlance. Disco, funk, country, reggae, psychedelia, soul and yes, blues. Mick has driven this machine in many ways. He came to be laughable at times with his mannerisms and unfortunate costume choices but in the 60s heyday him and the whole band had a charismatic cool. Checkout the Five by Five EP cover and then things like Between The Buttons, ahead of just about anyone. Mick is a funny bunch of blokes but also a mover and shaker among rock acts. Also an underrated lyricist. The Stones were up at the top with the best at their peak. Dylan thought so too. Play With Fire and Shine A Light two highlights I would pick out among many. Those albums from Beggars Banquet to Exile all essential in my view and can’t be replaced by any best of. Mick was the quintessential frontman and influenced many in that role.
mikethep says
I was thinking about the clip in the OP, and the fulminations of the two old farts who kicked it off. At the time Lord Reith was 76, pretty much the same age as me, and Malcolm Muggeridge was a mere 62, very possibly the median age of the Massive. No doubt this will bring a tsunami of Benjamin Disraeli jokes from the Dame of Snark down on my head, but I’d like to think that the intervening years have wrought a massive change in the interests and attitudes of the not-as-young-as-they-were.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Mike telling porkies here. He has fond memories of the introduction of the opposing thumb.
(The Snark is a Boojum , btw)
eddie g says
They were a pretty amazing band between 1965 and 1972 but I can’t remember who once described Jagger as “the most famous person in the world who no one cares about.” Probably George Melly. It usually is.
retropath2 says
Has anyone mentioned his solo albums? Not including the songs related to Performance. (Has anyone HEARD his solo albums?)
fentonsteve says
I bought a couple in a sale when they were half-speed mastered. They were very cheap. They’re both still in the shrinkwrap. So seen but not yet heard.
Twang says
I think he’s great. I can believe he’s done some regrettable things to get where he is – let he who is without sin etc I say. But he’s the best front man in the world (sorry Bruce) and still doing the business. More to the point he’s intelligent and charming and funny. See Naga Munchetty in thrall here.
deramdaze says
Going through the ol’ CD collection (about 1,000), three a day, done about thirty.
Great fun. Mostly secondhand, no scratches or even a slight blemish so far.
Half of them are in my collection – almost entirely, indeed even had a release in the first place – because of the obscure musical tastes of middle class English schoolboys of the late 50s/early 60s.
Listening to Robert Nighthawk and Forrest City Joe tonight.
If Brian, Keith, Mick etc. hadn’t dug this kinda stuff then, it’s highly unlikely I’d be listening to it right now.
They’re the self-made, woke, heroes of our age, and a million miles from 55 Tufton Street.