There was a box about a decade ago full of 10″ EPs of demos and stuff, and a remastered 2LP. For what seemed like a lot of money at the time, but now seems like a bargain.
I feel the same.
In some ways it’s a shame that there was never a proper follow up – on the other hand, regard it as a singular, pristine moment from the mid 70s.
I’m reminded that the father of an old friend of mine, who was a BBC sound engineer and, I have to say, somewhat eccentric, was known to take a binaural pair of microphones mounted on a dummy head of his own making to classical recitals. He would book two tickets and seat his companion next to him. I’ve no idea what he would have used for the actual recording side of things but this was pre-digital so I’m assuming a Nagra or some such.
The ‘official’ photographer at one of the venues I do sound at, brings a head along and sits it near me. Best sound is at the mixing desk, and all that.
The cassette single sequences are worth having, they are mini albums in their own right & are definitely part of the story. It’s a really good set & very worth having.
The 80s seem great in retrospect naturally apart from massive unemployment. I got almost a full grant to go to university and was actually paid a salary to do a Masters degree
As somebody who was a teenager at the time, and a bit young to understand the unemployment, miners’ strike, fear of nuclear apocalypse, etc., I can confirm that the 80s was the best decade of all. This is an absolute, incontrovertible fact.
This thread has finally prompted me to resolve a long-standing musical unknown. Buying the very fine album A Secret Wish had one disappointment: the version of Dr Mabuse was substantially shorter and lesser than the amazing track I’d heard on the Festive Fifty of 1984.
A Spotify and a google have revealed that Peel played Das Testaments Des Mabuse, the 10:17 mix.
It joins the likes of 23 Skiddoo’s Ethics and Unknown Cases Masimba Bele on my ‘rediscovered from teenage radio listening’ playlist.
I should have said this was vinyl, where its definitely a 5-min version. When I did buy the CD several decades later and there was a 10-minute version I thought that it was still not quite the version I remembered. Turned out I was right:
The version of “Dr Mabuse” here (on the original CD) is the first 12-inch mix (‘Das Testaments des Mabuse’), with the final minute replaced by the end of “The Last Word/Strength to Dream” from the original LP.
When »A Secret Wish« came out, ZTT/Island hadn’t entered the CD age – they only issued those new-fangled compact discs a year later. Steve Lipson used this delay to fiddle with the album mixes and the track listing for months, so the CD version of »A Secret Wish« is entirely different.
That’s why the essential reissues (like the fantastic Salvo double CD, and this new set) always have the CD version AND the original LP version.
Yes, the initial CD swapped out some versions and replaced San Jose with Happy Hi. It didn’t make it better, and later CDs reverted to the vinyl tracklisting.
Propaganda / A Secret Wish
https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/propaganda-a-secret-wish-sde-exclusive-blu-ray/
Frankie Goes To Hollywood / Welcome to the Pleasuredome
https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/frankie-goes-to-hollywood-welcome-to-the-pleasuredome-reissue/
Hasn’t the FGTH WTTP already had a couple of fancy re-releases?
All this re-releasing seems like a fire-sale rather than the discovery of undiscovered gold.
There was a box about a decade ago full of 10″ EPs of demos and stuff, and a remastered 2LP. For what seemed like a lot of money at the time, but now seems like a bargain.
I flippin love A Secret Wish but …it’s perfect as it is. Unless someone can persuade me I need half a million remixes ill have to say no ta
I feel the same.
In some ways it’s a shame that there was never a proper follow up – on the other hand, regard it as a singular, pristine moment from the mid 70s.
I’m of the opinion that the xPropaganda album IS the proper follow up. I might even prefer it!
You might well be right, it’s excellent. Maybe not enough sturm und dang but very good.
The official follow up to A Secret Wish is “1, 2, 3,4” which is lame, lame, lame , lame.
Confusingly there IS a new Propaganda album out , mainly by Michael Mertens but it seems to be lacking actual tunes.
mid 70s? No way that decade could produce anything so effortlessly cool.
You remind me of the fallibility of age.
Of course it was mid 80s.
To be honest, I’m mostly interested in the Binaural (headphone) mix.
I’m reminded that the father of an old friend of mine, who was a BBC sound engineer and, I have to say, somewhat eccentric, was known to take a binaural pair of microphones mounted on a dummy head of his own making to classical recitals. He would book two tickets and seat his companion next to him. I’ve no idea what he would have used for the actual recording side of things but this was pre-digital so I’m assuming a Nagra or some such.
The ‘official’ photographer at one of the venues I do sound at, brings a head along and sits it near me. Best sound is at the mixing desk, and all that.
The cassette single sequences are worth having, they are mini albums in their own right & are definitely part of the story. It’s a really good set & very worth having.
Have you heard Wishful Thinking? That may be the only Propaganda remix album you need.
Even that I don’t need, even though I have it.
If there are extra three CDs (no, make that eighteen), and four DVDs of Paul Morley telling me how important all of this is – I’m most certainly ‘IN’…
… but I demand to pay at least £3,000 extra for that rare privilege, of course!
Can’t help but love the dire.
Actually the 80s were quite good fun. Despite Thatcher, and her mandate to include gated snare drums on everything.
The 80s seem great in retrospect naturally apart from massive unemployment. I got almost a full grant to go to university and was actually paid a salary to do a Masters degree
As somebody who was a teenager at the time, and a bit young to understand the unemployment, miners’ strike, fear of nuclear apocalypse, etc., I can confirm that the 80s was the best decade of all. This is an absolute, incontrovertible fact.
This thread has finally prompted me to resolve a long-standing musical unknown. Buying the very fine album A Secret Wish had one disappointment: the version of Dr Mabuse was substantially shorter and lesser than the amazing track I’d heard on the Festive Fifty of 1984.
A Spotify and a google have revealed that Peel played Das Testaments Des Mabuse, the 10:17 mix.
It joins the likes of 23 Skiddoo’s Ethics and Unknown Cases Masimba Bele on my ‘rediscovered from teenage radio listening’ playlist.
Interesting. I will have to check my cd of A Secret Wish as the version of Dr Mabuse is pretty immense and certainly feels like 10 minutes.
I should have said this was vinyl, where its definitely a 5-min version. When I did buy the CD several decades later and there was a 10-minute version I thought that it was still not quite the version I remembered. Turned out I was right:
The version of “Dr Mabuse” here (on the original CD) is the first 12-inch mix (‘Das Testaments des Mabuse’), with the final minute replaced by the end of “The Last Word/Strength to Dream” from the original LP.
When »A Secret Wish« came out, ZTT/Island hadn’t entered the CD age – they only issued those new-fangled compact discs a year later. Steve Lipson used this delay to fiddle with the album mixes and the track listing for months, so the CD version of »A Secret Wish« is entirely different.
That’s why the essential reissues (like the fantastic Salvo double CD, and this new set) always have the CD version AND the original LP version.
Pretty sure the CD of Pleasure Dome was also different to the (double) LP
Yes, the initial CD swapped out some versions and replaced San Jose with Happy Hi. It didn’t make it better, and later CDs reverted to the vinyl tracklisting.
Exactly – and the cassette versions of both (»Pleasuredome« and »Secret Wish«) also had different track listings (and unlisted bonus tracks)…
ZTT repeated this with »Slave To The Rhythm« where LP and CD were almost two different albums.
Through the second hand record shop bargain bin/charity shop route, I have ended up with STTR on 7″, 12″, LP and CD. Which version to play, though?
12″.
Well, yeah.
There’s an EP of several mixes of Dr Mabuse on streaming and it includes that version
Crikey. Teutonic tuneage ahoy