Year: 2021
Director: Garret Price
I knew prior to this documentary that Woodstock 99 was a bit of a shitfest, but I had no idea just how big a shitfest it was. To paraphrase Marilyn Manson (who amazingly was not on the bill) I wasn’t born with enough capital letters to emphasise just how much of a SHITFEST Woodstock 99 turned out to be. We’ll go easy on the details, because much of the pleasure of the film lies in staring at your TV open-mouthed with incredulity for an hour and 50 mins. Let’s just say that in terms of WTF moments it really is the gift that keeps on giving. Think the Fyre documentary turned up to 11. Think Lord of the Flies with boobs and backwards baseball caps. Apocalypse Now where Willard is dispatched to kill Colonel Fred Durst.
But there’s a Hepworthian ‘here’s the thing’ here, because this is a festival that from your place on the sofa looks like an actual vision of hell on earth. Women are being mauled. People are dropping like flies. The place is clearly a cesspit, literally and metaphorically. And yet where is all the footage of traumatised and shell-shocked festival-goers? Anguished kids supporting each other in a bid to escape the inferno? Where’s all the testimony from people still suffering PTSD all these years later? It’s just not there. With the exception of one poor chap whose friend died, all of the attendees interviewed seem to have had a wonderful time, and much later in the film, when a commentator asks, ‘Why weren’t people leaving in their droves?’ the answer, clearly, is that the majority of them were having the weekend of their lives, albeit in a most unedifying fashion.
Nowhere is this better exemplified than in the performance of Limp Bizkit, which took place on the evening of the middle day. Most of the talking heads tut-tut at what is framed as an irresponsible stoking-up of an already febrile atmosphere. They may have a point. I thank my lucky stars that I was several thousand miles away at the time. But what is also true is that if you measure the value of a rock performance on power and spectacle and the utter OMFG of it, then on the evidence presented here (which is significantly different to the still-quite-gobsmacking official YouTube upload) the Bizkit’s showing of Break Stuff is actually one of the great rock moments of all time. ‘They had the crowd going insane,’ says Jonathan Davis of Korn, whose contributions generally are thoughtful and, as in this particular case, understated. ‘What do you expect if you book Limp Bizkit?’ asks someone else. True. To an extent. But I’m sure that there must have been plenty of rock festivals around that time with similar line-ups that didn’t end up with riot police on site.
Playing the blame game ends up being another fun strand to the film, and they all come up at one time or another. The heat! The price of water! Whiteness! Toxic masculinity! The venality of the organisers! Providing a rave tent! The nu-metal programming! Of them all ‘Fred Durst!’ has to be the most laughable. If you really think that Limp Bizkit were responsible for the shitfest that was Woodstock 99 then you haven’t been watching closely enough. And if you were there? On the aforementioned Break Stuff YouTube upload are plenty of comments from people who were. But maybe the most simple and telling goes, “The weekend soon became a matter of survival — but it was great!”
Might appeal to people who enjoyed:
Ripping someone’s head off!
MC Escher says
Nice, looks good. Is this “showing in a major theater near you,” perchance?
Moose the Mooche says
Paging @bingo-little !
“Apocalypse Now where Willard is dispatched to kill Colonel Fred Durst.”
I did it for the horror!
dai says
Presume this wasn’t actually in Woodstock like the original festival. I used to live near Woodstock in upstate NY. about 12 years ago Pretty uninspiring place, some remnants of hippie culture for tourists, plenty of people who may or may not be on hard drugs and just a general tackiness about the place. Lovely rural area otherwise. They did have gigs there though, which I didn’t go to. If I had my time again I would go to one of Levon Helm’s “Rambles”.
Slug says
The ’99 version was also held in upstate NY but in the town of Rome , which is around 200 miles from Woodstock.
dai says
Wow, that’s completely in the middle of nowhere, would have driven past many times on the way to Toronto. It’s near Syracuse which is an absolute dump. Visited that city a couple of years ago with my daughter, decided to try the downtown area and then decided to leave the downtown area with moderate to extreme urgency.
Bingo Little says
Allegedly the organisers wanted a location that had prior experience of being rigorously sacked.
Junior Wells says
One of ???? They were an institution. Amazing you didn’t go to many.
I have the Dylan show from Woodstock 99 and it is excellent.
dai says
In my defence when I lived there my daughter was a small baby and I didn’t really make it to many gigs at all, and it wasn’t good form to waltz off on my own to one …
Moose the Mooche says
You could probably have taken a small baby to the first Woodstock festival, and many did: this one however…
PS. Fkin’ outstanding review Leicester , BTW…
dai says
She wasn’t alive at that time. She did go to Neil Young’s Bridge Festival in California when she was 2. Slept through most of it with large ear protectors on, but one day she will boast that she “saw” Tom Waits live (maybe).
Leicester Bangs says
Thanking Moose!
dai says
And echoed from me.
Bingo Little says
Great review, I’m looking forward to watching this.
I’ve always been a believer that violent lyrics, movies, games, etc, do not – in isolation – make people en masse more violent. Woodstock 99 was about as close as I can remember coming to fully overturning that view. The conditions and organisation of the event didn’t help, but it’s hard to look at the politics, and particularly the sexual politics, of nu metal and conclude that the music didn’t play at least a part in the horrible shit that went down.
I was talking the other day on here about the importance of recognising the utility of different types of music. The central utility of nu metal was to throw all social convention to the wind and act like a pack of aggrod up gorillas. There’s probably something to be said for that experience; it’s not a billion miles away from the Dionysian frenzy Iggy Pop used to shoot for, just a good deal more meatheaded – but the problem with throwing social convention to the wind is that social convention is there to protect, as well as restrain people.
I still contend that Break Stuff is, on its own terms, a properly great record. As often happens, my appreciation started off ironic but eventually became sincere. The guitars dropping back in on the “give me something to break” coda is a legitimately brilliant moment, and one that signals “let’s all go absolutely fucking mental for the next 60 seconds” about as well as any other music I can think of. Obviously, the lyrics are asinine, the singer is a douchebag and the band look ridiculous, but I’m not even sure it would work as well if you changed any of those elements, and I think we underestimate at our peril the appeal of going fucking mental with your mates for 60 seconds when you’re young and invincible and not really thinking about who might end up picking up the tab for all that mindless fun.
Jonathan Davis often comes across well in interviews. His own band have at least one moment of their own to rival Break Stuff; the scatted breakdown about two and a half minutes into Freak on a Leash that suddenly erupts into a charnel house of riffery. The lyrics are also less risible, if that helps.
What’s painful about all this is that if we do concede that Limp Bizkit et al were partly responsible for the horrors of Woodstock 99, it probably forces us to ask some very uncomfortable questions about other music we love. Personally, I still lean towards the idea that an individual can’t really blame art (or even nu metal records) for their own moral choices, but I sense that, culturally speaking, we’re moving in the opposite direction now.
Either way, I share your relief at not having attended Woodstock 99.
el hombre malo says
Interesting article on it – https://slate.com/culture/2021/07/woodstock-99-documentary-hbo-max-deaths.html
and Justin Currie from Del Amitri mentioned their appearance as one of the lowlights of his career on Radio Scotland – the band before them stormed a long version of “Riot In Cell Block #9” , crowd shouting along with it – this left the dels, on a rotating stage, being spun out in front of a crowd from Lord Of The Flies, baying for blood – and being treated instead to whimsical Scottish pop, playing the first song in 3 different keys because the band were all over the place with it.
Moose the Mooche says
A mighty roar from the moshpit: “MORE KEYS!!”
Leicester Bangs says
This is my favourite version of Break Stuff.
Diddley Farquar says
I think what I found most troubling and disturbing about this film was that despite seeing fit to destroying much of the site on the last day, the fans nevertheless left the stage intact for the Red Hot Chilli Peppers to perform, which was bad enough but there was also the horrifying sight of Flea slapping his instrument unclothed with his tadger flapping around in the searing heat of this crucible of depravity and savagery.
Leicester Bangs says
Lord of the Fleas.
Diddley Farquar says
😃
Sewer Robot says
Bravissimo!
Moose the Mooche says
I used to love those catalogues.
….what?
Leicester Bangs says
There’s a three-part TV version of this on Netflix right now.: Trainwreck: Woodstock ’99. Well worth seeing. There’s tons of stuff that isn’t in the film, especially involving Fatboy Slim’s set and the final riot.
Bingo Little says
I think I enjoyed the TV series even more than the movie.
Notable, once again, that even some of the interviewees who expressed most contempt for the festival, its organisers and the entire vibe of the event nonetheless happily conceded it was one of the best times they ever had.
I do wonder how much of that is just a facet of looking back at yourself at 20 though. It’s pretty great being 20, on any number of levels, let’s face it.
Arthur Cowslip says
I saw that come up, and I didn’t think I was interested. But reading this thread and the review I’m quite interested actually. I think I will watch it. Double bill with the 1969 Woodstock movie anyone??
Arthur Cowslip says
Okay, watched it now. Very enjoyable (not sure if enjoyable is the right word).
I hadn’t realised the organiser of the ’99 Woodstock was the same guy as the ’69 one. That put a new spin on it.
I wasn’t really aware of this at the time. Was it just me, or was it just not that big a story in the UK? I don’t remember it being on the news or anything.
And, putting my cynical hat on on for a minute, gobsmacking as much of it was, does anyone else think it was maybe exaggerated a bit for the documentary? There seemed to be an awful, awful lot more of interviews with people 20 years after the event telling you all the wild stuff that was happening, as opposed to actual footage of these wild things happening. Fair enough, there was plenty of shots of mosh pits, fires, vandalism and ugly “bro” behaviour, but in the background of many of the shots I noticed a lot of people just, well, kind of standing around.
And, to take a specific example, there was a big anecdote about James Brown refusing to get on stage until he had been paid. And this was supported by actual footage of James Brown just before he went on stage… and he was just kind of standing around with his entourage, nary an argument or cross word in sight. Just about every verbal confrontation or showdown that is described vividly in the interviews seems to have actually happened out of sight of the many cameras there seem to have been on the scene.
Sorry to pour doubt on the illusion! It was a great and compelling documentary, just came across as being beefed up in the edit to something it wasn’t.
Bingo Little says
What wild stuff did you think it was missing?
They’ve got footage of an ambulance being driven directly into the crowd during Fatboy Slim, giant masts being knocked over by a mob, large sections of the fence wall being kicked down, ATMs being knocked over and broken into, merch tents being looted, what can only really be described as a riot, the organisers using wood and nails to barricade themselves into their command centre, mass public nudity, fixtures and fittings being ripped down and lobbed into fires as people dance around them, thousands of plastic bottles being lobbed at the stage, Gavin Rossdale with what looked suspiciously like spray on hair still looking traumatised at the memory of having to go onstage after Korn, tractors being set on fire, art installations being knocked over, seas of human effluent, people crowd surfing on torn down scenery, women being sexually harassed, harsh language, stern looks, unbridled scenes of unabashed machismo, and Fred Durst being allowed to go about his business unhindered.
I’d say they had the wild stuff pretty well covered. They didn’t have footage of a lot of the backstage arguing, but then that’s to be expected given the time period.
Also; the doc contains footage of the coverage on the BBC main evening news at the time. It was a big deal, albeit a big deal on the other side of the Atlantic in a period when the Atlantic was a little larger than it is now.
Arthur Cowslip says
Fair point! But yeah I do still think there was stuff missing, and sometimes maybe glossed over and made out to be worse than it was.
The woman who handed out bin bags: in her interview she made out as if she was subjected to abuse by people shouting at her that they hadn’t paid £150 for a ticket just to help to pick up rubbish. But the footage just showed her handing out bin bags to bemused, tired-looking kids.
There was lots of talk of all the water being contaminated and nothing coming through the taps, and talking as if the only water was the muddy stuff that had mixed with the waste from the toilets. But then in a scene a few minutes later, there was an official guy saying they went round and took samples from all the taps to see if it was still fresh. What water was he testing if all the taps were off? And after three days of blazing sunshine and no shelter, with nobody having access to any water, wouldn’t people have been actually dying of thirst rather than just a few hundred getting treated for dehydration?
The Red Hot Chili Peppers. The way it was presented, it was as if they spontaneously decided to play the song Fire to add to the chaos. But clearly it was a pre-planned encore in tribute to Hendrix, and just a daft mis-step rather than anything else.
Okay, I’m maybe overstating my case, but I’m just well aware that a documentarian making a film about the Most Disastrous Festival In The World, and a load of talking heads knowing fine well the most animated, emotional ones will be the ones to make the final cut, will both have a tendency to bend the truth a little bit to make it a bit more exciting and colourful.
I’m sounding like a moon landing denier or something here, so I will pull back a bit. To sum up, I don’t deny the whole thing was a dangerous disaster, with lots of riots and violence. I just think there are a significant number of little white lies and exaggerations in the small details of the documentary to make me think the whole thing is maybe overhyped a bit.
Diddley Farquar says
You didn’t mention Flea’s bare todger flapping around. That was pretty traumatising and catastrophic.
Moose the Mooche says
Nudity from the RHCP? Well I fkin never. How to turn a paraphilia into a career.
Diddley Farquar says
You say tadger I say todger. Lord of the fleas. Hahahahah. Brilliant.
pencilsqueezer says
Women were sexually assaulted and there were rapes.
But… “made out to be worse than it was”.
Bingo Little says
Quite.
All the evidence you really need to determine that this truly was a shitshow of epic proportions is to listen to the organisers talk about the various rapes/sexual assaults.
Their attitude to the well being of attendees was clearly appalling, even having had 20 years to think about it.
Arthur Cowslip says
Okay, I sense this is getting a bit contentious and I have no reason to argue, so I concede. (Salute, friendly handshake, bow…. steps back to allow Bingo and Pencil to have the last word if they want to)
Bingo Little says
They probably concluded that all the footage of riots, fire and disorder were insufficient and decided to spice it up with bin bag lady’s sensational but unevidenced claims that people refused to help her pick up rubbish.
Moose the Mooche says
It could have been worse, at least they didn’t get six weeks of Comin’ Home by Ten Years After.