In a New York Minute I would take the vaccine. It’s going to be interesting to see and watch the response from the conspiracy contingency. I’m not especially worried about them. I think they’re in retreat. I do enjoy a good skewering of them though.
Vaccinate or not vaccinate? That is the stupid person’s argument.
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It strikes me that the anti-vaxxers could be up for the largest collective Darwin Award.
Here’s my latest anti conspiracy theorists mask to deflect any conspiracy theories.
Well done! You’re a shoo-in for a prize at the Tommy Cooper look-a-like contest at this year’s local Conspiracy Theorists Xmas Dinner Dance
@thecheshirecat.
We live in hope do we not? Hah! Mustn’t keep wishing on a natural eugenics solution to all our problems must we. After all, what would that make me?
Cancelled?
How would you know?
There is a school of thought (admittedly a cynical one) that says nature no longer culling the less adaptable in a population will lead to the accumulation of mutations, lowering the overall health of a species. As humans, we have an imaginative empathy, so have concern for our fellow man even if they are not kin, and use our intelligence to assist them if they are in need. If they push us away, that’s their look out. If Trumpistas are wishing to protect their Orange God from being exposed as a fool, and so die of c19, that’s their funeral. I’m more concerned about them spreading the bug to others who are trying to avoid it.
I think their whole movement is in retreat on the whole. I think sanity Claus is returning. Keep vigilant.
Can you see, Children, where Uncle Hubert has gone wrong?
Yes, Jemima?
“Has Uncle Hubert forgotten to put the gas off?”
Move over… I’m first. Well.. after the old(er) people.. and the at risk younger ones. I’m hoping being a key worker over 60 will bump me up a few places but until most people who want it have had it, life won’t return to near normal. I’m more concerned that I’m going to me much higher in the queue than my wife (not a key worker and younger) so once I’ve had it, I’m going to have to go and do everything outside the home for a while!
…and I don’t want one of those namby pamby 70% effective ones, I’m up for a 95% superstrength one!
Remind me to go drinking with you once this is all over.
I wonder how long it will be once the vaccinations start that someone will publish a rolling total of ‘People who died within 28 days of a Covid-19 Vaccination’
(It’ll be 29 days….)
I have mused on this elsewhere. As an over 60 male with chronic asthma I am a shoo in for being up the front of the queue. However, I do think about the impossibility of these vaccines having full length testing i.e a few years, preferably 5 to assess effects.
Interesting, have never considered refusing vaccines for myself or any of our children during the great MMR balls up, however where/ how do I get the assurance of safety when we develop something 10 times faster than normal?
Cant quite bring myself to just trust Boris
I read they haven’t done less testing, there’s been no hanging about for decisions, approvals etc as everyone has a boot up their arse to get on with it. So same quality assurance, quicker.
We’re not trusting Boris, we’re trusting scientists. I’ll have it like a shot.
exactly. It’s not the science that’s been rushed: it’s the funding approval paperwork/processes, which usually take literally years.
Frankly any educated adult who’s even remotely antivax-adjacent is beneath contempt.
brace yourself for three thumbs up
Nurse!!!!!
@hedgepig – one can’t accelerate an assessment of effects over the long term unless one assesses over the long term.
Said the caterpillar.
I’m quite happy to wait, to be honest. I’m not especially concerned about catching Covid, not that I’m blasé about the consequences, nor am I particularly concerned about the side effects of the vaccine, but I am more concerned about side effects than the effect of Covid [for me personally] I know that if I get Covid it will be unpleasant, but is unlikely to be fatal and nor is it likely to cause me long term problems. I can’t say the same about a vaccine, at this point.
I’ll get offered it eventually and by that time there will be a better understanding of the side effects. Plus, as millions of my fellow citizens of the UK get vaccinated my risk of catching Covid will reduce.
I’ll wait.
I’m not saying you is Wrong but what happens when you say “I’ll wait for the vaccine” then you catch Covid and you have minor or no symptoms but you infect an entire Care Home full of useless old folk and they all die along with the nurses and carers and the ambulance men and the guy who delivers sandwiches and then your long lost brother (whom you were never told about until now) turns up and gives you a hug and the he dies? Eh, eh?
Or how can I put this another way? Take the bloody vaccine as soon as you are eligible!!!
“ as millions of my fellow citizens of the UK get vaccinated my risk of catching Covid will reduce”.
Oh well as long as you’re alright Jack.
Perhaps I could have worded that better.
My words have given you the impression that I am a selfish person who cares not about the safety of others, let me assure you, that is not the case.
My words could be interpreted as suggesting that I will wait indefinitely before taking the option of the vaccine. Again, that is not the case. As I said at the start, ‘I’m happy to wait’
I’m happy to wait while millions of more deserving cases receive the vaccination.
28 months later….
The 45,000 volunteers who took part in the testing are being held in sound-proofed shipping containers at a secret location on the coast while the authorities work out how to dispose of a huge number of Walking Dead without attracting any attention. Simultaneously, the Big Pharma boys are quietly replacing the remaining active shots with placebos and hoping for the best at vaccination time, on the assumption that no-one else will go green and slobbery, drooling and grunting and trying to eat their neighbours.
Fire up the TR-7!!!
I have a number of chums who may already have had the Oxford/AZ vaccine, well, a 50% chance, as part of the trials. They seem fine. As said above, it hasn’t been cooked up at a Bullingdon reunion, it has been with most of all the usual precautions but at speed, = working nights and w/es, by the labs that do this sort of thing all the time.
I’ll be having one and recommending it to all my patients, as well as to eligible friends and family. Which includes most of the old codgers here.
An old friend in Sheffield has been part of the trial and hasn’t yet croaked or become ill.
The Astra-Zenaca vaccine team claim a 70% success rate with one dose, 90% with one and a half doses, so far. Far cheaper than the Pfizer vaccine or the other one, simple to produce and doesn’t require to be deep-frozen during distribution. Sounds all right to me.
@retropath2 If the timing works out (I’m hoping to go back to UK in April), this old codger could be near the front of the queue in two countries. Might there be such a thing as an overdose?
Don’t eat the brown antibodies.
Dumb question, but does having had the vaccine stop you from infecting others if you should be subsequently exposed?
Nobody knows. Too early to say. The focus has been on whether the vaccine prevents the individual receiving it from getting ill. However, the Oxford team claim that there is some evidence of a reduction in asymptomatic spread.
Saw a Tweet the other day decrying the lack of intellectual rigour of the vaccine refuseniks.
This particular graphic example was cited (paraphrased)- ‘so & so said there was no way he would have a vaccination as he ‘didn’t know what was in it’ – this being the same individual who was happy to put a blotter of acid under his eyelid in a school lesson ‘because he was bored’’.
I laughed despite myself.
As soon as I am offered I will be there. 64 tomorrow, type 2 diabetes and essential worker might put me slightly higher up the ladder but cant say I am that bothered.
Of 16plus million currently affected 96.4 percent have a mild condition.
It is not exactly the fucking plague is it . Yes it was bad but we seem better equipped to deal with it now.
Sorry typo – 99.4 percent.
Always, with the glass half full, half empty. 👍😂
83870 people were hospitalised in the US on Sunday alone. Looks like the fucking plague to me, near as makes no difference.
They posted themselves into hospital, so that figure can’t legally be counted.
I should be in the first group to receive the vaccine and I can’t wait. MrsG is jealous that I’ll get it first.
Atta boy!
Here’s an odd thing to say.
I can’t wait to start paying bills again.