I don’t know who’s buying all this new vinly, but it ain’t me. Is you?
And yes, yes, the figure is a drop in the ocean compared to streaming, CDs, etc.
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I don’t know who’s buying all this new vinly, but it ain’t me. Is you?
And yes, yes, the figure is a drop in the ocean compared to streaming, CDs, etc.
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I was just going to post an arrow here to make the thread show up over there —> but that’s a bit boring, so here’s a vinyl-related peekaboo pussy shot.
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World Record Club!
Erm…..why is my cat behind your Ray Charles record?
Ah, you must have an adorable little black and white mog too! This is Dottie, well her a couple of years ago anyway, judging by that old chair. (I just picked a random picture from Photobucket.)
More to the point – why is someone pointing an automatic pistol at Ray Charles?
And very much not the Golden Years, more the Nat King Cole years unless I’m very much mistaken. Happy enough to listen to it now, but it was a big disappointment compared with the glories of the Atlantic years.
Some of it is me. Looking back at 5 year intervals, how I consume music has changed a lot between 1996, 2001, 06, 11 & 16.
96: wanted all the CDs, but still in college
01: Had job, little outgoings, bought all the CDs, got first iPod
06: CDs ripped in iTunes and mainly in storage, given an old Sony turntable, started going back to vinyl
11: Had gone a whole year without buying CDs as experiment, fully signed-up Spotify user, buying some new vinyl, but there’s a recession going on…
16: New vinyl set-up bought in 2013, turntable now as prominent as the telly. Still listen to Spotify everyday. Finally added a proper CD player to the home set up and realised CDs are alright (it’s the speakers, stupid!). Buying less physical music overall compared to 2001, but spending a little more compared to five years ago.
I bought two vinyl box sets last year that between them had 23 records, so big buys like that bump the numbers up. Most of the records I buy are still second hand ones, run thru a Disco Antistat record cleaner if necessary.
Well it certainly isn’t me buying ‘records’ – I regard it now as a bit of a mugs game (sorry!)
My wife bought me a ‘record player’ for Christmas. Cutting edge, it ain’t, but it does mean I can play all the LPs I have been loath to throw out, although I’ve got most of the music on CD, or Amazon Music.
Watching a news item about the increase in vinyl sales on the BBC this morning, it struck me that most of the buyers were doing so, because vinyl is ‘cool’, and ‘happening’ and not because it is a better music experience.
I am looking forward to the next big wave of second-hand vinyl in about 5 years, when all the current 20-somethings need room for their first born. I’ll be waiting.
Yep, me too!
Comparing with 25 years ago seems pretty misleading
At the turn of 1991-92 surely vinyl was seen as being in its death throes to all but the committed enthusiast?
My local record library had sold off all its vinyl – any vinyl sections of Virgin, HMV, Our Price etc was vastly outweighed by CDs and cassettes
Yup it’s those early 90s pressings that often fetch high prices these days cos no bugger bought em.
It’s me. Probably bought about 50 new albums last year counting each record individually. Maybe 3 new CDs, only downloads I bought were live albums that were exclusively available in that format
Good news.
The more mug-punters/ankle botherers lump on £16 vinlys, the more 50p CDs there are.
Might also see less of the bearded wonders (and that’s just the girlfriends) in the local Oxy.
I only buy new vinyl as a rare treat, and hardly at all now, due to space running out. Goodness knows where I’ll put the one a month from the Rough Trade sub. Time for another tidy-up, I suppose.
Tempted by that Rough Trade sub myself @minibreakfast but worried that each release might be obscure stuff not likely to sell in the shop.
Are you able to cancel at anytime?
There aren’t many details, but if it’s like old one then yes. Payment is by monthly direct debit, so I guess you can cancel that at any time. One problem with the old club at first was that you ran the risk of getting an album you’d already bought (hello Grizzly Bear!), if you were the type who’s quick off the mark with new releases, but they solved this by supplying an album in advance of its release date, which was pretty cool.
Albums were generally not too obscure, but not mainstream either (at least at the time). I remember Brian Eno, Serafina Steer, White Denim, John Grant, Blakroc, Best Coast, The XX, JJ and Gil Scott-Heron. If I wasn’t keen on something I’d put the CD, booklet and bonus material on eBay, sometimes making a surprising profit! You used to have the option of exchanging it for another of their recommendations in the booklet if you wanted, but I don’t know if this is planned for the new club; as I say there’s not much info at the moment.
If possible I buy all new albums on vinyl as more often than not get download code or CD thrown in.
CDs these days dominated by compilations (damn you Ace Records) or CD only artists.
If possible I buy all new albums on vinyl as more often than not get download code or CD thrown in.
CDs these days dominated by compilations (damn you Ace Records) or CD only artists.
Oh and shit loads of 2nd hand vinyl and new reissues naturally
Bloody vinyl posts – always skipping!
Chuckle
These figures don’t take into account the number of sales at gigs, which I suspect, with absolutely no scientific evidence to back it up, would account for an increasingly higher percentage of sales.
And a lot of those are cash sales, so they’re kind of invisible anyway
I have a subscription to Spotify and listen to most of my new music there.
If an album really grabs my attention I’ll buy it on vinyl as I have for many years now.
Rarely buy CD’s – only maybe reissue box sets ( Harry Nilsson/ CSNY etc. )
Oh! By the way I find the comments of the Afterworder ( who ironically hides behind the pseudonym of a long defunct vinyl prog label ) quite offensive 😊
I thought the same thing myself, no need for insults at any time on here.
I bought lots of vinyl last year (100+) and even more CDs. I don’t think I will be buying as much vinyl this year, same with CDs, said the same last year though you can take that with as many grains of salt as you wish.
The vinyl resurgence is due, IMO to the ‘cool’ kids but more so oldies like me switching from CDs back to vinyl. Yes I was a ‘mugs’ getting shut of my LPs in the late ’80’s and buying CDs. I truly believe the sound is better on vinyl with a decent set up, you don’t have to spend daft money to have one. Then there is the artwork which in some cases is stunning.
Streaming? Go for it if it’s that, that rocks your boat, obviously music dosen’t mean the same to you as it does to me and others who prefer the physical formats.
CD versus LPs, it’s just choice or the best of both worlds in my case.
Genuinely not-being-funny question: When you say “music doesn’t mean the same” to streamers, do you mean it ‘means something different’ or ‘means less’?
Buying an album be it CD or LP involves going to a record store/car boot sale/charity shop and it`s an `adventure`. Going to the record store you may know what you want, but if it is also a second hand music store you also (I do anyhow) have the enjoyment of discovering albums, taking chances, the artwork, interacting with others, f%@king enjoying holding an album! The feeling of being involved somehow, satisfaction. Reading the liner notes, booklets while listening to music, a bloody love of everything involved with music. Buying an album by a new band from their own site knowing they are getting something for their creativity. Yes you can press a few buttons on line and the LP/CD comes a few days later, if you`re lucky then you open up the package and….see above.
Streaming?
Sampling music vis streaming doesn’t really strike me as an less of an adventure if your prime interest is the music. Enjoying the ritual of going in and out of shops, finding hard to get stuff and the like is great, but not necessarily anything to do with music. For myself, I tend to devote the time I would have once spent going round the shops doing other sorts of adventures.
That`s good ernie, I was asked a question which I tried to answer.
Happily I kept the albums I loved bit dumped a load of other stuff so I don’t have the best trophy shelf fulls of yore but do still have the ones I play. Which I’m now rebuying on 130 gramme vinyl remastered by Steven Wilson etc. Fool/money etc.
Actually Baron, if you mean what you seem to mean about music not meaning the same to me and others like me as it does to you and others like you, I find that quite offensive too.
How can you possibly know? Music means the same to me as it always has; how it arrives makes no difference whatsoever. I may not sit there stroking a record sleeve as I luxuriate in better sound, but I’ve done plenty of that in the past (cue jokes about wax cylinders). It’s entirely possible that I could achieve a ‘better’ sound with turntable and vinlys, but it’s pretty subjective, isn’t it, and I’m now completely happy with the sound that comes out of my Sonos Play:5 from Spotify and other streaming services. You’re welcome to pop round and have a listen if you like.
mike I`m not on about quality of music, I don`t recall bringing that up. I have answered mini`s question above. Obviously I stated what physical music means to me, yes, how could I possibly know what music means to someone else, BUT I was talking about LPs/CDs as a physical product I look at my album sleeves, stroking them seems pretty weird to me.
I think it depends on how you interpret what music “means” to people.
I’ve been using streaming services for about six years now. In that time, I don’t think I’ve bought a CD, vinyl or other physical format. If something doesn’t appear on Spotify, or one of a handful of other online services, I just don’t listen to it. Joanna Newsom made my favourite album of the last ten years. I’ve never heard the follow up, because Spotify doesn’t have it.
Prior to joining Spotify, I spent an absolute fortune on a CD collection that is now in boxes in the loft. Hours and hours in record shops, hunting down obscure compilations and poring over the racks, often buying stuff just for the name of the band or because I liked the album cover. I loved that period of my life, but I simply don’t have the time now – other things have come along.
Does music “mean” less to me now. Probably, yeah. I definitely spend less time and money on it as a hobby than I used to, and there’s no comparison to the days of my teenhood, when I’d walk half an hour each way to the local Our Price in the hope of finding something (anything!) half decent to listen to.
Don’t know if this is a function of streaming services, or of age. I definitely feel less connected to music than I did. I still listen to as much as ever, and am just as moved and elated when it’s good, but it’s not as precious as once it was, because it’s so abundant, and because I have more in my life than I did.
No idea if others have found likewise – probably the cardinal sin to admit it on a site like this. I have to admit that I sometimes feel that music is taken a bit too seriously on here. It’s just a bunch of blokes in tight trousers cocking about 95% of the time.
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I’m not sure I feel less connected to music now that I no longer buy any physical product. But my relationship to music is certainly extremely different as a result. Thanks to Spotify, and youtube I get to hear far, far more new music than I used to. The slightest whiff of a recommendation (most of which come from this place) and I’ll check it out.
“I sometimes feel that music is taken a bit too seriously on here”
Is that even possible?
Are you suggesting that I don’t have feelings?
Are you suggesting there is something wrong with tight trousers?
We really do need a thread on the relationship between trouser tightness and quality of music.
Enthusiastically seconded.
Don Estelle had harsh words for the tight-trousered.
“Those white-trousered, tight-crutched morons!”
…and cocking about.
An essential part of tight trouser-wearing.
You’d think tight trousers really ought to reduce cocking about.
Not judging by the cover of Sticky Fingers.
There’s a difference between cocking and cocking about.
I’m constantly astonished at the quality of music available these days. There is tons and tons of it.
As a teenager, compared to my peers, I had catholic taste. Nevertheless, it was quite narrow compared to now. For example, I listen to loads of Jazz now, when I didn’t much then. Rap didn’t even exist.
As a result, every spare waking minute, I’m listening to something. I’m a pig in shit. It’s wonderful. And, it’s nearly all mp3.
“obviously *poring over record sleeves* dosen’t mean the same to you as it does to me and others who prefer the physical formats.”
There, fixed that for you, your Baron-ness. The idea that format is an indicator of a person’s level of music love is of course very silly so I’m sure that’s not what you meant.
As a paid up member of the kids (I’m just about under 45 in other words) I listen in two formats – streaming and vinyl. Streaming is for everyday and vinyl is for special occasions when I’m stopping everything to listen, rather than having music on while travelling or whatever.
You fixed nothing with your obnoxious retort, hiding behind an internet pseudonym? Aye there`s a name for people like you – troll.
God, is Baron Harkonnen your real name then? I should’ve curtsied or something.
Don’t be daft, if you think that’s trolling allow me to introduce you to the rest of the internet. It was the gentlest of pokes. Are you really saying buyers of physical formats love music more, then?
On reflection apologies if I upset you, but I think you mistook my tone which was gentle teasing. Anyway, just so you know: people who stream don’t love music any less than you do.
If my original statement was read correctly I think you will find there is no wording about who loves music more. I was attempting to explain, badly I suppose, how enjoying LPs/CDs is enhanced, for me by all the bloody gubbins involve. Please see above.
The thing is @friar by the time I got to your comment I was already, shall we say, on the defensive from others who had misunderstood what I had to say.
These streaming vs LPs vs CDs flashpoints do occur on here from time to time and I suppose I`m no innocent. I`m not alone.
Anyway ENJOY the friggin` music!
As I read Baron’s post he didn’t suggest at all that his appreciation was greater than anyone elses. Wind yer necks in. He just said the physical thing enhances the pleasure for him, which I entirely understand and have some sympathy with. There’s something attractive in the acquisition ritual. No suggestion streaming makes anyone a lesser person. That’s all. End of.
He just said what he said and now it’s all this….
If you want him to apologise, if that will make you happy, then OK, he’s sorry.
If he’d said television was more popular than vinyl he might have got away with it…
I bet he regrets that Maureen Cleave interview now.
Things got out of hand when we started seeing “Burn Baron Harkonnen trash here” signs appear around the Afterword.
I f%@kin` regret nowt, the wife already has those signs in every room in the house. Hmm, maybe there`s cash to be made to fund LP/CD acquisitions for my `enhanced` musical appreciation.
Any of you `streamers` wanna `Burn Baron Harkonnnen` sign, £8.79 each including P&P, all enquiries to Admin.
Raises hand meekly… I’m a reasonably steady new vinly buyer, if it’s not silly prices.
My reaction to this kinda thing remains constant.
It’s the music that matters.
The medium is NOT the message unless one chooses it to be.
Try telling that to Doris Stokes.
The story on the Beeb was also about the return of record collecting. Or in my case record hoarding. No requirement to play the buggers. See also stamp collecting. A hobby made redundant if you stick ’em on a nenvelope 😜
If it means more people going into record shops – even if it’s to buy copies of Rumours, Sgt Pepper, Nevermind or Purple Rain for 20 quid a pop – then it’s all gravy.
I agree that the medium is not important apart from the fact that some physical purchases reward the artist more shillings and pence than say streaming…
For f%@ks sake don`t start `em of again.
Only joking……………………………………………………………………………………………………………
The most rewarding (for the artist) method of buying music is direct from them at a (preferably paid) gig.
Mostly this will be on CD, although vinyl is increasingly common. Download codes and even cassettes can sometimes make an appearance.
Whatever method, it’s straight into their pocket without middlemen/women taking a cut.
90% of the NEW music I buy is from tha artist`s site, not much at gigs.