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Following on from the physical ailments post I was curious to hear other peoples comments on sleep. Most of us on here seem to be of a similar age group where sleep patterns most definitely change if my friends and my own experiences are anything to go by.
I usually go to bed around 11pm and have no difficulty in getting off to sleep. Nor do I have any difficulty with say a power nap on a Sunday afternoon. Nor do I have to get up in the middle of the night for a pee thankfully.
However it is rare I can sleep past about 5.30 am and am often awake at 4.30 – 5 years ago I would sleep until 7am without ever waking up in the middle of the night. What changes and is there anything we can do to improve our lot?

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  1. Similar for me. In that thread I mentioned I have sleep apnea. I very rarely sleep past 7, and sometimes not after 6. I tend to sleep for about 4 hrs after first falling asleep until 3am, then diminishing returns after that , 2hrs for next period, then less than an hour etc until time to get up. Any alcohol makes it worse.

    Occasionally I have trouble falling asleep, this often occurs several nights in a row and sometimes if I am still awake at 1am on a work day then I resort to a sleeping pill (or half of one) to help me, am careful not to become reliant on them though.

  2. Screen time is bad for sleep. Especially *these* things, not telly so much. This hit me big time when I was WFH all the time a few months ago – I mean like 15+ hours a day. It really, like, fucks up your brainwaves and puts blue mist round your soul (official medical explanation)

  3. I sleep loads. I’m like Catherine Deneuve in The Hunger. An hour in the afternoon and at least eight at night. The only time I sleep badly is if I have to get up early, which is almost never. I usually get up at 7.30, but if I have to get up at 7.30 my sleep is ruined. Ruined, I say.
    I don’t use an alarm clock, but I’ll tell you what though, one of the best things I’ve ever bought is one of those clocks that projects the time in big red (yet soft and unobtrusive) digits on the ceiling. No more waking up and struggling to read the bedside clock and being woken up even more by that very endevour. No. One eylid lifts slightly, brain registers the info and it’s back to nod we go.

  4. Sleeping is one of the few things I am particularly excellent at.
    I’m usually retiring about 10:30 / 11:00 (After the News and Weather), and in the land of nod soon after.
    And once I’m gone, I’m gone. Mrs D says I could sleep through a Nuclear War
    It’s waking up that I have trouble with – I have 2 alarm clocks set 4 minutes apart but moving from the mattress is still a struggle. I used to put one over the other side of the room, but all I did was get up turn it off and crawl back into my pit.
    With 3 dogs in the house, you would expect that mornings would be a succession of whingeing and barking when the alarms go off – oh no, they’re lazier than me.

  5. My formula: watch telly no later than 9pm. Switch the f*cking computer(s) off before you sit down for your evening meal/Horlicks. Don’t even look at your bloody phone after switching off the computer(s).

    Eat around 8pm and go to bed soon after 9pm. Read in bed for as long as you like, stop when you start to nod off. Don’t set an alarm, wake when it gets light. Sound relaxation almost every night.

  6. I’m not suggesting this applies to the OP, but there is a general rule that trouble getting to sleep is stress but trouble staying asleep is linked to depression. That was almost certainly the case when I went months without proper sleep due to work trauma. I would fall asleep easily enough, but wake up about 1:30. On a bad night that would be it, and even if I fell asleep again I would sleep past 3.

    These days I usually sleep well. Bed at 11 with a podcast or soothing music (tinnitus), and even if I do wake it’s briefly and for moments. On a good night, and that’s most of them, I don’t wake up until 6:30.

    As I have got older one thing I definitely do notice is that alcohol interrupts sleep like nothing else. Even a glass or two of wine or beer is enough to spoil the night. I’m 53 now, so probably approaching the age when I’ll need to get up to pee in the night so a mug of cocoa is what usually sees me off to uninterrupted slumber.

    • Everybody wakes up in the night, but if you are sleeping well, you don’t necessarily notice it. Yep, alcohol doesn’t help apart from initial passing out.

  7. Midnightish to bed and about 6-6:30am I wake up in a non-negotiable way. Toilet visit somewhere in that period. Sometimes twice.

    This is really dull. Ready? Recently we got the sodastream working again for our crazy upside down NZ summer. I really like fizzy water so I am drinking more of it. This means that I am required to have a toilet visit in the night earlier than usual.

    Nearly there. I don’t know if this is common but my dreams can be very lucid and the general theme recently has been the need to find a toilet or, having found a toilet, some drawback prevents me from doing it. This is my body telling me to get up and go to the toilet. By now I have had a really elaborate dream to get there – and when I look at the clock once I return to my scratcher it’s only 1am.

    Finished!

    • I discovered a while back that if I had more than a couple of beers of an evening, yet kept to my preferred 9 o’clock curfew, I had the same themed dreams that you describe, involving wandering around some undefined place that was vaguely familiar along some generic theme – a hotel I’ve stayed in somewhere, an old flat or house, a mate’s place during a huge party, a crusty gig venue I’ve visited in the distant past, wherever, just looking for a loo.

      I never found one that was unoccupied of course. In the dream state I was also slightly worried in case I actually found one, for fear the resultant conclusion to my search would have any unwanted consequences in the real world, which of course I was simultaneously fully aware existed independently and objectively outside of my mental hallucinations. Conclusive proof that the male brain is perfectly capable of multi-tasking.

      For this reason these days I only drink more than that if I know it’ll be a rare late night, and as a result I usually sleep right through, as far as I can tell when I have regained consciousness.

  8. For several years now (and I turned 60 this year) I just can’t sleep past roughly 6:30am, and what time I go to sleep doesn’t matter. I usually make a serious attempt to go to sleep around 12:30 because I know that any earlier will result in me waking up in the middle of the night.

    Occasionally I wake up any time up to an hour before that. Simply can’t get 8 hours whatever I do so I’ve just accepted that if I can get 6 hours straight and no visit to the loo in the middle of that, then I’m happy.

    I don’t feel constantly tired or anything so I just accept it. It IS annoying when it’s one of the 5:30 days, mind you.

  9. Exercise. Get a good 12-15,000 steps every day, eat yer veg. Eat long before bedtime. Be a bit physically, not just mentally tired at the end of the day. My rule of thumb is if my legs don’t have a mild ache from usage at bedtime, I won’t sleep as well as I could.

    I’ve also read that ideal dropping-off windows run in roughly 90 minute cycles and that’s been my experience. My work requires a very early start so I’m asleep by 9:30. If I miss that window, it doesn’t come around again til 11, at which point I’m in trouble cos that’s not enough sleep. So I practise strict sleep hygiene – a nice herbal tea, a shower, no devices in the bedroom and at least 30 mins reading (or other relaxant of choice) before lights out. Works for me!

  10. I have all kinds of issues with sleep. I find it difficult to get in a comfy position and can only really sleep on my right hand side. I don’t move when I’m asleep, at all, so I tend to be very stiff when I wake (settle down at the back, I’m not referring to that kind of stiffness) and when I first try to move I get a weird reflex where my legs just spasm and my knees draw up, so I have to be careful that I don’t pull any muscles as it happens It’s a bit like when you spring a mousetrap, my first movement sends my knees springing up to my chest. I hate it.

    I don’t usually have any trouble falling to sleep. 75mg of amitriptyline sees to that. But I wake up if I’m in pain and I have very vivid bad dreams most nights. Depending on how bad they are, and whether they carry over a bit when I wake (seeing things/hearing things/feeling something touch me, the last one being very annoying because I can’t usually feel when someone actually touches me) I can usually drop straight back off, but if it’s a bad one I’d just fall straight back into the same dream as I drop back off. So I have to get up and put the light on, wander in the en suite and wash my face with cold water, and read something on the ipad (this explains why I occasionally post something on here at 4 or 5am – I’m trying to wake myself up from a bad dream). Once I have fully woken up/stopped seeing or hearing things I can go back to sleep.

    Whoever it was who told me to do this deserves a medal, because some nights the bad dreams would go on for hours. I interact with people in my dreams too. When I start realising that I’m in a dream (and I find myself in some extremely stressful situations!) I can usually ask someone if I’m dreaming and they usually tell the truth. I’ve then developed a way to wake myself up. This all sounds like a load of bull doesn’t it, but I can assure you it’s not! To wake myself up I shake my head violently. Just in the dream, mind, I’m not actually shaking my head when I wake up. Although I do have problems where I wake from a dream into another dream, like that bit in An American Werewolf in London when Jenny Aguter opens the curtains. It tends to only happen a couple of times before I wake up properly though and I can always tell when I wake up properly. Once it was around 7 or 8 times before I actually woke up. That was stressful.

    I’ve always had bad, vivid dreams since I was a kid, with sleep paralysis every now and then, but they got a lot worse when I started on all this medication 4-5 years ago. The hallucinations have settled right down now though, so I rarely have those these days. I’m yet to have one of my full on, horrid dreams/hallucinations since I split up with the wife (maybe her leaving is why the horrendous dreams stopped!?), but it will be a test of my bravery. It was always reassuring to have a real live person next to me, as I watch some unearthly creature walking around my bedroom!

    A couple of years ago I had a lot of trouble with gastric reflux and must have woken up choking on it about 20 times, once when I was having a sodding afternoon nap on the sofa. As I don’t move in my sleep I was usually on my side, so whilst it was still scary and horrible, it was manageable, in my cycle of coughing and swallowing air, whilst my wife banged me on the back. But occasionally I had been dragged onto my back as my wife pulled the duvet off me, and when I woke up on my back choking it was always far, far worse and much scarier. I cut out all the things that gave me indigestion a couple of years ago though (alcohol, fizzy drinks, spicy food, etc) and stopped eating and drinking much after 8pm, plus I changed my medication for my tummy and it has done the trick. It’s only happened a couple of times in the past two years. I’m on my own now of course, with nobody to bang on my back, so I could really do without another episode.

    The main barrier to my sleep, however, is that I don’t like going to sleep. It’s a waste of time that I could be spending doing something else. So when I don’t have the kids I have very little willpower in making myself go to bed. Eventually my nerve pain starts creeping up though, so I have to take my nighttime meds and that soon zonks me out. The downside of this is that if I start reading in the afternoon I tend to nod off. So sorting my sleep pattern out is one of the things I keep saying I need to do, but never get round to it, along with getting more exercise, stopping eating crap, stopping buying so much stuff, etc, etc. [stop writing such long posts – Ed.]

  11. I find it really hard to switch off if I’m a bit stressed from work. I go to sleep ok but then 4am, regular as clock work I am thrashing about with loads of probably irrelevant crap whizzing round in my head. Getting up and writing it down usually works but it’s annoying. Sometimes I can talk myself down but it’s rare. A week of that and I’m not happy.

    I don’t sleep well on beer any more. More that 2 pints and I’m thrashing about which is a drag, mind you I can’t fit more than about 3 in any more. Vino etc I’m OK to sleep on unless I’ve really overdone it. I do notice in the week, when we do AFD Mon-Thurs I sleep better, stress notwithstanding, then Friday and Saturday night depends on the grog. I’m coming to the conclusion that I might feel better giving up the booze all together but I’m working the cutting down line for now.

  12. Sleep is a fascinating subject, and Matthew Walker’s ‘Why We Sleep’ is a bestseller for a good reason – it reveals the science behind sleep in a way that the layperson (ha!) can easily understand. The REM and NREM cycles are essential for processing the events of the day from RAM to ROM (counting sheep), to use a computer analogy. Forego sleep, and you’re storing up serious health problems, as it has various other essential restorative functions.

    I read it some time ago, as I have a chronic sleep deficit and wanted to know what I was doing won’t and to give myself an incentive to change. It did and I now always go to bed by midnight, if not earlier. That may seem late, but I was regularly up till 2am or 3am before, seeing the nighttime as a quiet period, when I could do my thing uninterrupted. I’ve always slept deeply through to morning, though more recently, I’ve started sometimes waking at 4am, then dozing fitfully till the alarm call, as mentioned in the OP.

    What Walker says in his book is that the circadian rhythms change as we get older with the earlier onset of the afternoon release and peak of melatonin meaning that we feel tired earlier, and consequently wake up ‘naturally’ earlier, when it we don’t go to bed when the tiredness kicks in.

    Read the book, like I said, it’s great. His 12 tips for good sleep are
    1. Have a sleep schedule.
    2. Exercise but not too late in the day.
    3. Avoid caffeine (8 hrs to wear off) and nicotine.
    4. Avoid booze before bed.
    5. Don’t pig out or drink loads late at night.
    6. Some medicines delay or disrupt sleep – take them earlier in the day.
    7. Don’t nap after 3pm.
    8. Relax before bed.
    9. Have a hot bath before bed.
    10. Dark, cool bedroom with no gadgets.
    11. Get some sunlight in the morning.
    12. Don’t lie in bed awake. Get up and do something relaxing till you feel sleepy again (sleep goes in cycles).

      • Good guidelines: I enjoy staying up late but find I can’t, unless out and about, a luxury foregone. So bedtime, sad but true, usually 9 o’clock and up with the fairies at seven. Does me. The wife, with health and sleep issues, has to turn every corner to even get a few hours and is deeply envious.

    • I read that last year. The mental and physical health problems he writes about are quite shocking. Cancer, dementia, learning and memory failures, delayed healing. It’s fascinating but I find his style makes me – yes! – feeling like nodding off. Which makes for good bedtime reading.

      I have definitely given up coffee after noon. Makes a yoooge difference.

  13. If I get 6 hours it’s a good night. If I get 6 hours uninterrupted it’s a minor miracle. About once or twice a year I’ll get 8-9 hours and it feels like I’ve woken up 100 years in the future. Fall asleep okay, but wake up after 1-1 1/2 hours, then it’s the rollercoaster of insomnia and restless legs syndrome, and while I’m up, may as well have a pee, again. Often have my head spinning with a million random thoughts, or sometimes a song stuck in my head (it was Octopus’ Garden the other night).

    Tried various relaxants, but not keen on sleeping pills. Very hard to pin down the cause. I do most of the things on that list, except the hot bath, I live in Australia, and I’ve never been able to nap in the day, let alone past 3pm. Although number 12 I’m not very good at, I should get up more instead of lying there wanting to hack my twitching legs off.

  14. Traditionally I’ve always been a “night person” and my body clock would always revert to the bed at 2am / up at 10am cycle if it had the change – which even continued when I moved half way around the world. I would always feel tired early evening but then wake up around 9 / 10pm and so could never really sleep before midnight. With a need to be up at 6 to 6.30am for work and to get the kids up for school, this always meant lack of sleep…..

    These days, since giving up work, I still seem to be waking up around 6.30 to 7am and tend to do so naturally before the alarm goes off, but try and get to bed by 11.30pm. I typically fall asleep pretty quickly (even though my wife sleeps later and has the light on) and sleep solidly through the night – very rare that I need to wake up for a pee. At about seven hours sleep a night on average, I guess that I am doing okay.

    Even though I now have the opportunity, I don’t sleep during the day – never have much (unless really tired) and if I do, usually feel worse for it.

  15. I used to routinely be out late at gigs, drive home late, stress about work, drink, eat spicy food. I had terrible insomnia, would catch a cold every few weeks, and usually felt pretty crap.

    Then I had kids, then I was diagnosed with Crohn’s, and I became even more dull.

    Since then I start running out of steam by 10pm (sometimes, when I’m watching evening TV, the eyelids begin to close earlier), read in bed to nod off, sleep like a log from 11pm to 5am or so, and get up by 6am.

    Similar to Ainsley, I can no longer sleep past 6am, and less than 6 hours makes me cranky.

  18. I’ve always been an early riser, even as a teenager I was always the first up in our house. I’m one of the few people that knew what the university campus looked like at 7am! These days, I wake around 5:30 every day unless I’ve gone to bed stupidly late for a couple of days.
    I see getting up early as a bonus because everything is a lot quieter in the morning. It’s especially handy when we’re on holiday because you can often get much more from a tourist attraction before the hordes arrive!
    I often drop off watching the television in the evening but that doesn’t seem to be a problem – it means I don’t need to go to bed at 8pm! I feel I’m getting the right amount of sleep so if I went to bed as soon as I felt tired, I’m sure I’d be up at 3:30 which would be a problem.
    In my late 20’s/early 30’s I had a 15 year period of shift work and ‘earlies’ were my favourite – I was home by 1:30pm with the rest of the day to do what I wanted with.
    WFH at the moment means I can get up and start working straight away to make the most of being fresh.
    The only change in my sleep pattern since I was about 14 is that I now need to get up in the middle of the night!

  20. Go to bed about 8 pm. Wake up about 1am. Piss, brief relapse into existential despair, back to bed. Listen to forties’ radio show on iPod tucked under my ear – much more convenient than ear buds – currently bingeing Richard Diamond, with Dick Powell – never last the thirty minutes. Up betimes to see the sun come up over the Mekong. Always remember my dreams (can remember dreams I had as a wee bairn).

  21. Reading before bed’s just the ticket. Maybe not Larkin, though but…

    I work all day, and get half-drunk at night.
    Waking at four to soundless dark, I stare.
    In time the curtain-edges will grow light.
    Till then I see what’s really always there:
    Unresting death, a whole day nearer now,
    Making all thought impossible but how
    And where and when I shall myself die.
    Arid interrogation: yet the dread
    Of dying, and being dead,
    Flashes afresh to hold and horrify.

    The mind blanks at the glare. Not in remorse
    —The good not done, the love not given, time
    Torn off unused—nor wretchedly because
    An only life can take so long to climb
    Clear of its wrong beginnings, and may never;
    But at the total emptiness for ever,
    The sure extinction that we travel to
    And shall be lost in always. Not to be here,
    Not to be anywhere,
    And soon; nothing more terrible, nothing more true.

    This is a special way of being afraid
    No trick dispels. Religion used to try,
    That vast moth-eaten musical brocade
    Created to pretend we never die,
    And specious stuff that says No rational being
    Can fear a thing it will not feel, not seeing
    That this is what we fear—no sight, no sound,
    No touch or taste or smell, nothing to think with,
    Nothing to love or link with,
    The anaesthetic from which none come round.

    And so it stays just on the edge of vision,
    A small unfocused blur, a standing chill
    That slows each impulse down to indecision.
    Most things may never happen: this one will,
    And realisation of it rages out
    In furnace-fear when we are caught without
    People or drink. Courage is no good:
    It means not scaring others. Being brave
    Lets no one off the grave.
    Death is no different whined at than withstood.

    Slowly light strengthens, and the room takes shape.
    It stands plain as a wardrobe, what we know,
    Have always known, know that we can’t escape,
    Yet can’t accept. One side will have to go.
    Meanwhile telephones crouch, getting ready to ring
    In locked-up offices, and all the uncaring
    Intricate rented world begins to rouse.
    The sky is white as clay, with no sun.
    Work has to be done.
    Postmen like doctors go from house to house.

  23. Last Night, an adventure in disturbed sleep starring Kid Dynamite.

    go to bed about 10pm, read for a bit

    10:30: lights out, asleep shortly after

    11:45: strange noises coming from daughter’s room. Transpires she is hiccuping in her sleep. Wife and I watch her for a bit, slightly concerned but also amused. Decide it’s probably alright and go back to bed. Back to sleep

    02:30: wind blows metal table in garden over and it clangs on the path. Get up and go out to move it. Back to sleep.

    04:00: dog, asleep at the side of the bed, has a huge backwards sneezing fit and needs to be calmed down. Back to sleep, eventually.

    07:00: wide awake, no chance of going back to sleep.

    Rest of today: write-off.

  25. We will put Tiny Japanese to bed around 7pm. She rarely wakes up in the night, but has started doing so recently. My wife and I will watch TV downstairs before going to bed around 9pm, where we will read for a bit before settling just before 10pm. Up around 06:30am.

  26. I like early mornings but I probably go to bed too late. I have a kind of anxiety thing I suppose, where I hate closing the lid on the day while feeling I haven’t achieved everything I should have achieved that day. Standard 21st century anxiety stuff.

    I usually have broken sleeps as well, waking up once or twice. So overall I probably get less sleep than I should, which is why I like naps so much.

  27. I was an insomniac for most of the first 40 years of my life. I’m not sure this can be right, but a large number of long haul flights in 2007-2008 seem to have played a part in curing it. A heavily delayed flight to the USA Midwest. Finally in hotel, put on Thread by Travis & Fripp on the iPod. Slept for 10 hours. After this, I associated that music with sleep. Gradually I found that other ambient stuff had the same effect, especially if I really try to concentrate on it. Further on, I found that almost any music works. To the extent that I’m reluctant to listen while driving.

    I think sleep has muscles that have to be developed, and that it’s a practice akin to meditation.

  28. Eat cheese. Drink tea. Look at a blue screen for hours. Go upstairs thinking I might have a bedside read before dozing off, but by the time I’ve got there, I just turn off the light straight away and I’m gone. I have a remarkable ability to behave like the snake in The Jungle Book, except that it’s me who can tell myself that I am sleepy, and off I nod. This is a wonderful ability for a shift worker, who may sometimes have an alarm set for 0230 (yes, it exists).
    However, before I get mugged for smugness by the insomniacs, I know of which Twang speaks about those times when external pressures cause me to wake at 04.00 (assuming I’m not already at work) and churn insoluble problems endlessly. 95% of the time, I sleep wonderfully, but the 5% of the time when I don’t, it is all about peace of mind, and suddenly I can barely function.

    • In one of Clive James’ autobiographies he says that he had always shared Napoleon’s ability to fall asleep at will. While I usually have nothing to complain about these days I still find that a deeply enviable talent, verging on a super power (albeit not a very useful one for society ‘The robbers are getting away! Quick!! Send for Narco-Man!!!’)

  29. As fellow Skippies will know, here in Oz your whole life is shifted forward by several hours. That means going to bed at 9 and up at 5. It’s really depressing waking up for a pee and discovering it’s only 10:30. I’m experimenting with staying up till 10:30 and having the pee before I go to sleep. I have no trouble getting to sleep, or sleeping mostly, but of course my Fitbit and my CPAP machine are bombarding me with stats that have to be processed and make me think about sleep perhaps more than is strictly necessary.

    The upsides of this? Cafes and coffee shops tend to open at 6 or 6:30 – we went to one the other day that was open at 5:30 7/7 – so going out for early breakfast has become an enjoyable habit. On the other hand, try getting a coffee after 3 in the afternoon. Mrs thep, who is a dynamo in human form, was up at 4:30 this morning, sweeping the verandah, manicuring the lawn and sweeping up leaves. All before starting work at 8. She’ll pass out at 8pm, but whatever, saved me a job or two (which weren’t even on my radar mind you…) At least she’s not allowed to fire up the lawnmower before 7.

    • Same in Siam. 9pm is a late night. Farmers and market traders (most of the working population) get up before 3am, sometimes well before, in order to truck the produce to the early morning markets. Thai people have a fantastic ability to sleep whenever they can/need to. I once saw an entire busload in Bangkok with all the passengers asleep. Nothing unusual in that, except this bus was stuck in traffic and the driver was asleep too. Tourists often get the wrong impression – that Thais are a lazy bunch – but the truth is they work hard, starting early and finishing late, and grab sleep when they can. Except government workers, of course.

      • Yes, I remember this from backpacking round South East Asia in the 90s. No matter how arduous the journey, how scary the driver, how hard and upright the seat, Indonesians seemed able to put themselves in a state of suspended animation for the requisite length time.

  30. I sat and read this thread last night and promptly had a pretty crap night’s sleep, even by my standards. Not even the shipping forecast did the trick last night. I think I was still awake at around 1.30am and, having woken at 7am, I am feeling pretty weary.

    I do surprise myself by how little sleep I can get away with. If I can get six hours I can usually survive but I really do wish I could get seven or eight hours in and have no difficulty in doing so. Anxiety is at the root of the problem and, as so many others have said, it can be difficult to rid the mind of a thousand thoughts when my head hits the pillow.

    If I do manage to drop off okay, that usually just leads to me waking at any time from 4am onwards. I have found that not looking at the clock radio to see what time it is helps me get back off. If I know what the time is at that time, I’ve got no chance.

    I’m only grateful that I rarely have to get up to spend a penny. I can imagine it would take me ages to get back off again.

  31. I’m currently having a week off work and comfortably sleeping for an hour beyond my usual 7.15-7.45 wake-up time (work at home so no need for an alarm).

    Two things work for me. No computer or mobile phone after 9.00 pm; and usually rising for a pee between 5.00 and 6.00 I put on some eyeshades when going back to bed. Usually works nicely.

  32. Sleep? If anyone can explain my sleep patterns I`ll send them my warped Ken Dodd Greatest Hits LP.

    I find the earlier I go to sleep, say 10-11pm the later I get up and I really mean late. I can sleep until 11am no probs. Even if I wake on these occasions at say 7, 8 or 9am I can easily get back to sleep.

    The later I go to sleep, sometimes I`ll read in bed until 1-2am the earlier I get up, 7.30-8am.

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