No idea what I am going to think about this. I know, I know a whole bunch of rock “stars” are arseholes but if half of what Ryan is said to have done is true then….
And I regard him as one of the major recording artists of the last twenty five years.
The first track consists of him saying “I’m sorry” and he has released numerous statements apologising for his past behaviour and how he’s changed etc.
ps two listens and the album’s a belter – bastard!!
Is the muddiness of the recording meant to convey something? If it is, it’s gonna be problematic for new listeners. Plus, fuck off with that shite where you think you have that much standing that you can pull that off. You don’t and you can’t.
Good to hear that it’s a belter and good to hear that he is publicly apologising . I hope that he can move on and give us new music.
If you read his biography it is clear that he had massive issues mainly with drink and anger but his biographer who was his manager for many years said that his behaviour was not directed at the women around him. This was written before the allegations and described his relationship with his ex wife as very loving.
I guess we will never know the truth and likely elements of truth from both sides.
I used to like Ryan Adams and it wasn’t the negative publicity that put me off. I just couldn’t be bothered playing any of his music so I sold the albums apart from ‘Gold’ and another who’s name I can’t remember.
I’m afraid I did the old music snob thing of drifting away from him once he started playing Shepherd’s Bush Empire, rather than the Borderline. I saw him at the Borderline with Whiskeytown first, and I far prefer Whiskeytown to any of his solo albums. He then played a solo show that I seem to remember not being a particularly packed out show. My missus at the time went and had a chat with him after the show. In fact, he invited the entire audience back to the bar at his hotel after the gig.
But then his second album came out and all of a sudden I’m towards the back of a packed out Shepherd’s Bush Empire with a face on, like what music snobs do when they are acting like an arse. We’ve surely all done this at some point…actually, that sounds like a good idea for a thread! So I gradually drifted away from him, particularly as the albums he was bringing out were nowhere near as good as Stranger’s Almanac or even Heartbreaker. I did, however, pick up all the CDs of his that I didn’t have 3 or 4 years ago.
It’s fantastic and impressive when artists have prolific spells. Dylan and The Beatles from 63 to 66 surely win that prize, but to be fair most of the best artists pre-1980 had a work ethic that puts today’s artists to shame. Problem is that unlike Dylan and the Beatles in the mid-60s, prolific spells from the past 20 years (including by artists who started out in the 60s – yes Neil and Van, I’m talking about you!) tend to be lacking in quality control. Ryan Adams crosses that line (amongst other lines he crossed…or snorted) quite often, but there’s good stuff throughout his career.
Wednesdays is quite pleasant but like a lot of Ryan Adams albums there’s nothing essential about it. My favourite album of his is the Taylor Swift one, 1989, which probably says more about the quality of her songwriting than his. Like you Baron, I got tired of listening to his music. This latest work also suffers from that irritating current trend of a delayed physical release.
Surely one benefit of “delayed physical release” (calling Moose) is that you get a chance to listen to it before, if it’s your thing, buying the cd or, in your case, deeming it “nothing essential”?
Post-Whiskeytown releases like Heartbreaker and Gold were both great but he became convinced of his own genius, got self-indulgent and released way too much stuff afterwards. Despite that he did turn out a couple of halfway decent records – those with the Cardinals for example.
Finally got to see him live three or four years back and he ruined every other song with unnecessary OTT guitar solos.
He used to be quite adept at ruining his concerts. One time he apparently stopped the show to write a song on stage, and then he stopped a show to have someone thrown out for shouting a request for Summer of ‘69.
That’s pretty much my arc with him. I saw him tour around Gold and he was an utter bellend which seriously put me off, then his incontinent pleased with himself years confirmed my suspicions and I just gave up. I played Gold the other day funnily enough and it still stands up. I’ll give this a try today since Steer has taken the trouble to tell us about it and it sounds like my bag but I find rock star bellendery hard to forgive TBH.
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I like that! I got fed up of him releasing new records every week, so I just forgot about him. He almost sounds like ’70s melodic Neil Young to me.
I just clicked on to this thread to make the very same comparison. There are bits throughout the whole album that evoke 70s Neil Young.
No idea what I am going to think about this. I know, I know a whole bunch of rock “stars” are arseholes but if half of what Ryan is said to have done is true then….
And I regard him as one of the major recording artists of the last twenty five years.
None of it ever proven, legal action curtailed. Doesnt sound very convincing to me . Obviously he has had issues but glad to see him back.
If you don’t know what “legal action curtailed” means…
The first track consists of him saying “I’m sorry” and he has released numerous statements apologising for his past behaviour and how he’s changed etc.
ps two listens and the album’s a belter – bastard!!
Is the muddiness of the recording meant to convey something? If it is, it’s gonna be problematic for new listeners. Plus, fuck off with that shite where you think you have that much standing that you can pull that off. You don’t and you can’t.
To my old ears it sounds fine – definitely going for the “recorded in my old log cabin, Taylor popped by” vibe.
Always the apologist. 🤔🏴
sounds alright to me and I’m just listening thru laptop speakers , not fuzzy in the slightest
Good to hear that it’s a belter and good to hear that he is publicly apologising . I hope that he can move on and give us new music.
If you read his biography it is clear that he had massive issues mainly with drink and anger but his biographer who was his manager for many years said that his behaviour was not directed at the women around him. This was written before the allegations and described his relationship with his ex wife as very loving.
I guess we will never know the truth and likely elements of truth from both sides.
It’s certainly true that if if you were only to listen to artists with blameless lives, it would be a short list.
There’s being an arsehole and then there’s mentally and sexually abusing women. Some of them Minors.
Im amazed so many people are willing to give him a chance again.
Especially as he’s shite.
Thank you for those reasoned words, Bellows. His work is far from shite, not so sure about him.
You will have to convince me yourself when I descend upon chateau le Lodestone. You’ve got your work cut out mon friar.
His work shows he is not shite.
You are a pathetic little attention seeking parasite that should be expelled again from this Forum.
Expelled from the Forum… it’s like Seneca all over again.
Mate that may be mean but I just bit for once.
I am chilled now and will ignore all future posts.
How’s your wooden post doing in these barren times?
Rubbish since it was all handed over to Hermes.
They will accept anything with an address on it!
But will they put it in a safe place?
Other people’s daughters, so who cares? Leave the nice guitary man alone.
Well said
What, you were there then? Bit of a bullshit comment if you ask me.
You should have posted about this tomorrow
Naturally I was thinking of HP. I wanted to catch him before Lauds (he’s very devout).
(It’s Wednesday in Thailand)
I used to like Ryan Adams and it wasn’t the negative publicity that put me off. I just couldn’t be bothered playing any of his music so I sold the albums apart from ‘Gold’ and another who’s name I can’t remember.
I’m afraid I did the old music snob thing of drifting away from him once he started playing Shepherd’s Bush Empire, rather than the Borderline. I saw him at the Borderline with Whiskeytown first, and I far prefer Whiskeytown to any of his solo albums. He then played a solo show that I seem to remember not being a particularly packed out show. My missus at the time went and had a chat with him after the show. In fact, he invited the entire audience back to the bar at his hotel after the gig.
But then his second album came out and all of a sudden I’m towards the back of a packed out Shepherd’s Bush Empire with a face on, like what music snobs do when they are acting like an arse. We’ve surely all done this at some point…actually, that sounds like a good idea for a thread! So I gradually drifted away from him, particularly as the albums he was bringing out were nowhere near as good as Stranger’s Almanac or even Heartbreaker. I did, however, pick up all the CDs of his that I didn’t have 3 or 4 years ago.
It’s fantastic and impressive when artists have prolific spells. Dylan and The Beatles from 63 to 66 surely win that prize, but to be fair most of the best artists pre-1980 had a work ethic that puts today’s artists to shame. Problem is that unlike Dylan and the Beatles in the mid-60s, prolific spells from the past 20 years (including by artists who started out in the 60s – yes Neil and Van, I’m talking about you!) tend to be lacking in quality control. Ryan Adams crosses that line (amongst other lines he crossed…or snorted) quite often, but there’s good stuff throughout his career.
Wednesdays is quite pleasant but like a lot of Ryan Adams albums there’s nothing essential about it. My favourite album of his is the Taylor Swift one, 1989, which probably says more about the quality of her songwriting than his. Like you Baron, I got tired of listening to his music. This latest work also suffers from that irritating current trend of a delayed physical release.
Surely one benefit of “delayed physical release” (calling Moose) is that you get a chance to listen to it before, if it’s your thing, buying the cd or, in your case, deeming it “nothing essential”?
Well, yes, but a couple of streams is usually enough to convince me that a physical release is necessary pretty soon after…..
Is Moose asleep?
Hull time.
What am I, your staff? (hurr)
Heartbreaker?
ÎMHO he’s made at least half a dozen “essential” albums. And there are lots of brilliant officially-sanctioned live recordings available as well.
On first listen I’m underwhelmed. It sounds full of self pity, which is never an attractive noise.
Post-Whiskeytown releases like Heartbreaker and Gold were both great but he became convinced of his own genius, got self-indulgent and released way too much stuff afterwards. Despite that he did turn out a couple of halfway decent records – those with the Cardinals for example.
Finally got to see him live three or four years back and he ruined every other song with unnecessary OTT guitar solos.
Will be passing on this
He used to be quite adept at ruining his concerts. One time he apparently stopped the show to write a song on stage, and then he stopped a show to have someone thrown out for shouting a request for Summer of ‘69.
That’s pretty much my arc with him. I saw him tour around Gold and he was an utter bellend which seriously put me off, then his incontinent pleased with himself years confirmed my suspicions and I just gave up. I played Gold the other day funnily enough and it still stands up. I’ll give this a try today since Steer has taken the trouble to tell us about it and it sounds like my bag but I find rock star bellendery hard to forgive TBH.
Rock Star Bellemdery – Afterword T-Shirt.
Does he revisit “Summer of 69” on it?
It’s been a while.