The 150th anniversary of Maurice Ravel’s birth is on Friday this week. I couldn’t let it pass without a gentle nudge (a Ravel klaxon seems rather inappropriate). Lots on BBC Radio 3 this week if you’re interested.
I’ve posted a jewel-like miniature in the first comment: I hope some of you might add your favourite pieces.
Wow. Either that piano really needs tuning or the guy was decades ahead of his time. Some wonderful jazzy dissonances at work here.
Love Ma mere l’oye (posted below) but wasn’t aware of this one.
See also:
You beat me to it. I was going to wish Maurice a posthumous 150th birthday on Friday.
Whoops! Jumped the gun…
Doesn’t matter. Any chance to post Ravel is a good thing as far as I’m concerned.
This will do for a start.
Oh, yes indeed!
I think Boulez is at his absolute best with Ravel. Someone needs to post his take on Daphnis et Chloe it’s fantastic.
Here he is on the Piano Concerto in G Major, which is probably my favourite orchestral piece. All you songwriters and composers wondering how to end your song, this is how to do it, and this is just the first movement.
That’s great. Again with the jazz influences. He was “listening closely” to Rhapsody In Blue, wasn’t he?
Seek out Don Shirley’s interpretations of Ravel. That’ll really close the loop!
To my shame, @thecheshirecat, I didn’t know who Don Shirley was.
Despite the fact that I’d seen and greatly enjoyed the film Green Book.
https://thelistenersclub.com/2019/01/04/don-shirley-three-historic-recordings/
Fascinating bloke.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Shirley
Here he is being interviewed and playing how high the moon in 1955.
And now from Black Omnibus
I’ll stick at two. I could post a lot more but I don’t want to hog the thread. J’adore Ravel.
Clare Hall College, Cambridge is hosting a Ravel study weekend Saturday 28 June. Patrick Hammerle will play virtually all of Ravel’s piano music. Tickets are £20.
You know that feeling when you spot a new thread and you’re about to discuss a pair of very smart brogues that you bought 15 years ago, but suddenly realise you’ve got the wrong end of the stick?
That’s when it all starts to unravel, of course.
Chapeau!
Do I get -10 points and/or branded a philistine for mentioning Bo Derek or Torvil & Dean?
Or John Martyn’s between song patter on Live at Leeds.
Fascinating stuff, Hubert, I enjoyed reading about this….
One of the funniest exchanges in the record comes when he discusses with the audience the meaning of Ravel’s “Bolero.” In explaining how the piece was actually designed as a soundtrack to carnal congress, a fight breaks out over who told him about this. The whole thing becomes slightly Pythonesque, especially since Thompson and Stevens form the entire troupe.
https://spectrumculture.com/2023/10/30/rediscover-john-martyn-live-at-leeds/
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Top notch thread, Fitter. you’ve really awakened my curiosity.
This is exquisite.
Even better I was at it.
Respect, hubert. I am very impressed. But not surprised.
I did music O level at school, and failed miserably. But one of the pieces we studied was Ravel’s ‘Sonatine’, which I came back to in my twenties and discovered a taste for his piano music. I have a double CD of his piano works by Phillipe Entremonte which is one of my regular listens.
Branford Marsalis.
Excuse the crap video.
I may have posted this a few years ago: it’s one of my favourite Ravel pieces; and a performance which pulls me back in again and again…
You did post it a few years ago, and you are welcome to post it again. It’s a superb piece and performance.
Tangentially Alice Sara Ott’s very recent album of John Field’s nocturnes is a lovely thing.
On my list to hear…
Ravel’s piano work has been a constant presence for nearly fifty years, and never fails. All is there, from the well measured classical reserve of Pavane to the wild dissonances of Gaspard. I have several box sets by different pianists, to get the full whammy of different interpretations – Pascal Roge, Jean-Yves Thibaudet, but the one I really grew up with was Abbey Simon. The piece which makes my heart swell is Le Tombeau de Couperin. Here’s Thibaudet’s version.
I know I said I’d constrain myself to only two but just one more…
Can’t see this one, Mr P – what was it?
Pavane pour une infante défunte – Orchestre de Paris conducted by the wonderful Jean Martinon.
I like Ravels. I’m not keen on the coffee-flavoured ones, though.
The coffee ones are the worst! But then I don’t drink coffee. The orange ones are the best. Dunno who this Revel bloke is, so can’t comment on that.
I used to really like the coffee ones. I was a weird kid…
I used to buy his kits if the plane I wanted wasn’t available from Airfix.
I like the Ravster. I assume you’ve seen “Un coeur en hiver” which is full of his trios and the music is central to the story. Emmanuelle Béart does a decent job of miming her parts and of course isn’t there for her violin skills. Fab film if anyone hasn’t seen it and the soundtrack album is superb.
I’ve not seen that. I’ve seen “A bout de souffle”. More or less the same thing, I would imagine.
Are you sure you don’t mean ‘Jules et Jim’ Gary?
Isn’t that the French version of Masterchef?
The Ravel String Quartet is also a favourite – one of the first Ravel pieces that I got to know really well. First movement only here…
Oh yes, the chamber music! Another box of treasures. Here’s another delight.
Fitter, this thread has brought me so much joy.
Je vous en prie, Chesh…
Was going to do one of those can’t believe we got this far down things but you beat me to it.
Some great string quartet faces going on there.
This might be of interest to some here.
One more.
See you on September 13th for Schoenberg’s 151st birthday. That’ll sort the men out from the boys. 😉
Huzzah! A taster:
That’s Schoenberg for sissies. 😉
I didn’t want to scare the horses at this early juncture…
…although, to be honest, I like that early fin de siècle, decadent Weiner music that the Second Viennese School were producing before Schoenberg got a handle on the 12-tone music. Overlaps a bit with late Brahms and late Mahler – sort of the musical equivalent of sachertorte and Klimt…
I do too. It’s why I tend to gravitate towards Berg out of The Second School boys. He’s a little less astringent. I have to be in a particular frame of mind to enjoy the more extreme 12-tone stuff but now and again it’s exactly right and I simply couldn’t resist pulling your leg.
i was fascinated to read about Ravel’s visit to the US in 1928 when he met Gershwin.
This article tells the tale rather well.
https://cso.org/experience/article/7984/fascinatin-rhythm-when-ravel-met-gershwin
While in New York, Ravel went to see Gershwin’s new musical Funny Face and declared himself “enchanted.” He expressed interest in meeting Gershwin and hearing him play the Rhapsody in Blue and other jazz-influenced works. (Led by guest conductor André de Ridder, the CSO will perform works by Gershwin and Ravel, with pianist Inon Barnatan as soloist, in concerts Jan. 6-8.)
Like his fellow French composers Satie and Debussy, Ravel was fascinated by American popular music including ragtime and jazz, according to Howard Pollack, author of George Gershwin: His Life and Work. “That had pretty much been in the air in Paris for a while,“ Pollack wrote. ”[Ravel] had already shown a predilection for using some of that sort of jazzy idiom in his Sonata for Violin and Piano,” completed in 1927.
At a party held in his honor by mezzo-soprano Éva Gauthier, Ravel celebrated his 53rd birthday on March 7, 1928. One of the guests that evening was Gershwin. During the soirée, the young Broadway songwriter entertained Ravel and the other guests with an impromptu performance of Rhapsody in Blue and a selection of songs including “The Man I Love.”
Gauthier later wrote: “The thing that astonished Ravel was the facility with which George scaled the most formidable technical difficulties and his genius for weaving complicated rhythms and his great gift of melody.”
Apparently, the admiration was mutual. Gershwin, who was always looking to learn new styles and techniques, asked the French master to give him lessons in composition. According to Gauthier, Ravel gave serious consideration to Gershwin’s request, but decided that “it would probably cause him to write ‘bad Ravel’ and lose his great gift of melody and spontaneity.”
Ravel spent several nights with Gershwin, listening to jazz at the Savoy Ballroom in Harlem, where dancers did the lindy hop to hot jazz from some of the nation’s greatest bands. Ravel also visited Connie’s Inn and the nearby Cotton Club, where he heard Duke Ellington and his orchestra.
This concert combined music by George and Maurice.
I was fascinated by the photo of that birthday party in New York on 7th March 1928.
And the description of that major, four month-long US tour that Ravel undertook. That led to this article:
https://www.wrti.org/wrti-spotlight/2025-03-06/what-maurice-ravel-got-from-jazz-and-what-jazz-took-from-ravel
Maurice Ravel was hailed around the world as France’s greatest living composer when he embarked on his first trip to North America, boarding the S.S. France on Jan. 4, 1928. His fourth-month tour was a whirlwind: Ravel visited 25 cities, conducting virtually every major American orchestra and meeting everywhere with rapturous approval. But the most fateful outcome of the trip was his firsthand exposure to jazz. It left a profound impression on Ravel’s music, which eventually inspired jazz musicians in turn, forming a loop of reciprocal influence.
The article discusses Ravel’s relation to jazz and jazz’s relation to Ravel…..
Kind of Blue, which Miles Davis released on Columbia Records in 1959, is the best-selling jazz album of all time, and widely understood as the most iconic. And it’s unimaginable without the influence of Ravel. Listen to how the album begins, with an impressionistic a tempo figure for Paul Chambers’ bass and Bill Evans’ piano, no more hurried in its drift than a plume of smoke. Evans, a pianist deeply enamored of certain Romantic and Impressionist composers, had introduced Davis to the possibilities inherent in Ravel’s music (and even turned him on to specific Ravel interpreters, like the Italian pianist Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli).
Writing about Kind of Blue in his autobiography, Davis recalled that “because we were into Ravel (especially his Concerto for the Left Hand and Orchestra) and Rachmaninoff (Concerto No. 4), all of that was up in there somewhere.” Of particular interest was Ravel’s exploration of the Dorian mode. As Davis recalled: “We were just leaning toward — like Ravel, playing a sound only with the white keys.”
Here’ a very brief clip of the Bolero Hitmaker from a us newsreel
And a silent interview.
Do we have any lipreaders in the house?
Type Igor Stravinsky and Charlie Parker into the search engine of your choice. I’d also recommend reading The Rest is Noise by Alex Ross if you’d like a deeper dive into the history of 20th century music in it’s societal and political contexts.
Seconded. Brilliant book, bettered only by Geoff Dyer’s But Beautiful.
It should be made clear that they are very different books with very different aims.
Yep. But that’s the positioning in my league table of music books. 😄
Can we assume that you’ve read both books six times?
At least!
These two book sound very interesting.
If, like me, you know nothing of either of them, these reviews will be useful.
Rest is noise
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/mar/14/rest-is-noise-alex-ross
A quote from the review….
The chapters which deal with musical life under the dictatorships of Hitler and Stalin are the most fascinating. Ross makes vivid the anxieties that Shostakovich suffered under the capricious musical taste of Stalin; and he manages to make us feel some sympathy for the eternally naïve Strauss, alternately falling in and out of favour with Hitler, yet somehow surviving to welcome a squad of American Jeeps on the day of Hitler’s suicide.
But beautiful
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/But_Beautiful:_A_Book_About_Jazz
https://www.criticsatlarge.ca/2010/06/book-but-beautiful-book-about-jazz.html
Here’s a quote…..
Geoff Dyer writes, in eight very succinct and visually evocative vignettes, of some great – and very different – jazz artists: Duke Ellington, Lester Young, Thelonious Monk, Charles Mingus, Ben Webster, Bud Powell, Chet Baker and Art Pepper. And Dyer weaves quite an impressionistic tapestry. But Beautiful illustrates the different kinds of artistic temperaments responsible for this uniquely American music. For in his view, jazz music was the perfect artistic expression for talented and inspired outsiders who often demonstrated very idiosyncratic behavior. And, in America, most of these outsiders who discovered and created jazz were black. But Beautiful is both illuminating and inventive because Dyer – a novelist who wrote The Colour of Memory (1989) and The Search (1993) – has constructed this biographical journey in the style of a novel. Drawing on anecdotes, scenes from documentary films, photographs and conjecture, Dyer concocts his drama out of snapshot impressions.
Dyer is one of my favourite writers. His versatility in non-fiction is extreme – as well as But Beautiful, he’s written on D H Lawrence, the Battle of the Somme, spending 2 weeks on a US aircraft carrier, yoga, Where Eagles Dare and Roger Federer.
He’s one of mine too Mike. Serendipitously this from today’s Guardian.
Best seat in the house: writer Geoff Dyer on why sitting in a corner is so satisfying https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2025/mar/09/best-seat-in-the-house-writer-geoff-dyer-on-why-sitting-in-a-corner-is-so-satisfying?CMP=share_btn_url
Add me to the list of Dyer fans, a rare contemporary journalist who can both think and write.
Once again displaying my uncanny ability to lower the tone of even the the most high-brow of AW threads, here’s an excellent educational film for kids about Bolero., which I just stumbled across.
There’s a whole series of them and they remind me of the wonderful Horrible Histories.
https://www.youtube.com/@ClassicsExplained.
A boon for kids, teachers and parents or anyone with an interest in the subject.
And now an article on Torvill and Dean..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/torvill-amp-dean-in-from-the-cold-6112357.html
Ironically, the Russians have paid them the most suitable tribute. In July last year, Baltic Reefer Lines of St Petersburg named two refrigerated cargo ships in their honour, the MV Torvill and the MV Dean, vessels, like the lovers in Bolero, destined to remain linked forever yet eternally apart.
Funnily enough, I’ve never liked Bolero, from first hearing it. I heard it when I was quite young and, for many years, it put me off exploring the remainder of Ravel’s music.
I don’t have a particular dislike of Bolero apart from having heard it probably too many times which has lent it to becoming slightly stale. Robert Trevino conducting The Basque National Orchestra on two recent outings on the Ondine label have recorded probably the best Bolero I’ve heard in years along with a selection across the two releases of some of Ravel’s best known music. I highly recommend both discs.
An interesting cinematic titbit.
After the great success of 10, Bo Derek’s career floundered.
After playing Jane in an unsuccesful Tarzan movie, she returned to Ravel in 1984. Talk about scraping the bottom of the Bolero barrel.
I decided to check IMDB to see if Ravel is mentioned.
And what is the first film that gets mentioned?
Kurosawa’s classic Rashomon from 1950.
As you can hear, the music bears a considerable resemblance to Bolero
That was a surprise.
This was quite an interesting discussion.
https://akirakurosawa.info/forums/topic/rashomon-the-soundtrack/
It does make me wonder how familiar a Japanese audience would be with Ravel.
whike you think about here’s Ms Tomomi Nishimoto conducting Bolero.
Ah, if it’s Bolero on film you’re after, you can’t go past Bruno Bozzetto’s “Allegro Non Troppo”
That is excellent, @Sniffity. Well I never. An Italian Fantasia parody.
i went to IMDB to read more.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074121/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_6_nm_0_in_0_q_allegro%2520non%2520troppo
An animated medley of satire, surrealism, spoofery, and general nonsense – set to superb music by Vivaldi, Debussy, Stravinsky, Dvorak, Ravel, and Sibelius…
Something else.
Yesterday I discovered a Ravel biopic which seems quite promising..
Two interviews in French with Raphaël Personnaz who plays Ravel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zduTY_PYKJc
i don’t understand very much but it’s rather interesting anyway.