After a couple of years in limbo the new stereo / 5.1 mix of Animals is finally getting a release (no date yet though). It’s seems the hold up was due to the sleeve notes and not who did the mix.
Whilst I am very much looking forward to this, the pettiness between Roger and David is bizarre – read his announcement and watch the video. Wouldn’t surprise me if it gets cancelled again due to the way Roger announced it……
Also, he’s writing his memoirs.
Judging by that Chuckles Waters’ memoirs will be a breezy read.
I think this book is highly likely to contain the phrases “I want to tell my side of the story”, “let me set the record straight” and “needless to say, I had the last laugh”.
Wonder if Rog and Van have ever met up and had a laugh together….
Van appeared on Roger’s Berlin Wall in 1990, so this Summit of Grumps has happened. I assume the sitcom rights are long gone.
The Odd Couple. Or The Unlikeable Lads.
Madame George and Mildred
Arf!
Comfortably Dumb and Dumber.
Much rubbing of the harmonica between toilet breaks I would imagine!
I can’t think of a memoir that I am looking forward to less.But I’ve got a title for it….”Everyone is a fucking idiot except me”
Is it a co-write with Dominic Cummings?
“It Was Not Me, It Was The Other Three”
It’s hard to like him. He’s like the picky one on the village hall committee.
Roger Waters is Lynda Snell. Does he keep Llamas?
There’s a bit of Kate Aldridge in Rog, too. “F*** you, Dave! I’m going to my yurt.”
You do not have the authority, Gilmour! Read the standing orders! Read them and understand them!
Is this being released as a boxed set, in the style of the Immersion boxes? I hope so, because I really like the ones they’ve done so far. I was hoping for Animals and Meddle to be released this way, particularly Animals, which is the Floyd album I’ve listened to the most over the past 15 years.
I was wondering the same – there seems to be no mention of any extra material, although I did read they were struggling to find anything.
There certainly doesn’t seem anything too controversial in those sleeve notes, but then again it was allegedly Gilmour’s objections that kept the In The Pink book in limbo for forty years.
I’m certainly looking forward to reading Waters memoirs though.
Looking at the image of the sticker on the sleeve at the end of the video, it seems there’s just a 2018 stereo remix and a 5.1 mix on lp, CD, DVD and bluray.
The live versions from that famous 1974 bootleg would be a start. The joined-up version of Pigs on the Wing that mysteriously appeared on the 8-track cartridge. A 5.1 mix of Roger spitting on that guy from the stage – any number of things.
The 1974 Wembley show with the early versions was included in the Wish You Were Here reissue.
Oh I see.
Still , there’s always the In The Flesh tour itself. though I suspect that’s a separate set waiting to happen, a la Is There Anybody Out There.
I’m assuming Roger’s arsiness is holding up the middle box set to join up Early Years and Later Years, which ought to be called I’ve Been Mad For Fuckin’ Years.
I doubt there’ll be a ‘middle years’ set – what would go in it bearing in mind there have already been deluxe multi disc editions of The Wall, DSOTM and WYWH, and now, to a lesser extent, Animals.
Apparently none of the Animals (in The Flesh) tour was professionally recorded, but it’s a bit of an underwhelming release if this is all it is – what about, for example, the alternate studio versions that are on you tube?
Contentious and now removed sleeve notes here
https://www.neptunepinkfloyd.co.uk/animals-5-1-stereo-remixes-to-be-released-soon-plus-rogers-broadside-on-david-gilmour?utm_source=phpList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PFNL20210601&utm_content=HTML
Hilarious that someone so talented and successful can be so petty. “Dave”, indeed. Doesn’t bother me one iota when Lodestone claims credit for my ideas.
The whole Waters / Gilmour thing is really tiresome, and clouds some truly great music.
Perhaps if they’d just tried talking to each other back in the 70s. Same applies to Genesis.
Talking to a lawnmower is a fool’s errand. “Work, you bastard!” etc – it has no effect whatsoever.
It does have an effect – it makes me feel better. Until I look at how overgrown the lawn is, anyway.
Nick Mason seems to have the right idea; head down, keep thumping the tubs, buy some lovely old cars. I also very much approve of his Saucerful project; like Steve Hackett revisiting Genesis, when ‘Genesis’ won’t/don’t.
Whining and whingeing he fell on his neck with a screeeeeeeeeeeam.
How much is this likely to retail for, does anyone know? How much were the Immersion boxes when they first came out?
I’m keen to hear that 5.1 mix, but from the looks of things I would have to buy an expensive 4 disc box set to get a copy of it.
Probably my all round favourite Floyd album, by the way, if push came to shove!
For someone whose big theme on this album seems to be anti-capitalist, it’s rather ironic that the Floyd reissue programme is the most capitalist of them all.
Radio KAOS was dedicated to those on the wrong side of monetarism – implying that his attempt to get sole control of the Pink Floyd legacy in the mid 80s could somehow be equated with the struggle of the miners at the same time. You’ve got to love the grandiose self-importance of millionaire rock stars.
I like old Rog though but. He’s a talented guy and he’s made the world a better place.
Don’t think it implies that at all – a rather odd interpretation of the album!
Just me perhaps but I always found Waters’ lyrics to be somewhat fifth-formish. The most pleasing elements of the post-Syd era for me has largely been Gilmour’s guitar and voice.
There’s something to be said for lyrics about imaginary worlds with albatrosses and coral rather than simplistic rants about Mary Whitehouse and backstabbing businessmen.
The music is pretty good though. Especially Sheep.
Roger Waters might be a miserable git but I dont think Floyd have done anything since he left that competes with the stuff when he was part of the band. Regardless of what Gilmour thinks.
Indeed. The Delicate Sound of Mediocrity.
That’s true. I would also say an album can be great despite some iffy lyrics. It happens. I would say Comfortably Numb is a great lyric. Wish You Were Here, the song, is up there too. Animals is not, in the main, his finest wordsmithery.
Shine On… is one of my favourite ever lyrics ever. Captures Syd’s whole story beautifully and poignantly and concisely.
Roger Waters might be a miserable git but I dont think Floyd have done anything since he left that competes with the stuff when he was part of the band. Regardless of what Gilmour thinks.
I agree
You can say that again!
I imagine his autobiography to go a bit like this:
I mean, they lost it really when Syd left. But Waters was never in the same league as a songwriter and he appears to think he’s up there with the greats.
Which he plainly isn’t.
Some bass playing songwriting giants- Macca, Bruce and Ayers.
(Note Waters not on list. Heck, he wasn’t even a half decent bass player…)
Och, a bit harsh there. He may have narrow width of talent but he wrote a fair few songs that have touched people and stood the test of time. Wish You Were Here, Time, Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Comfortably Numb, If, Mother, The Final Cut, Pigs… I think he’s done enough to be accepted into the big league.
Great songs, although a number of those are co-writes aren’t they?
I think everyone knows he’s been involved in some great stuff, but less so on his own, and it seems like being a significant part of something just isn’t enough for his ego.
So do I Arthur.
Dave Gilmour on the other hand has taken to hanging on to his wifes shirt tails when she releases a book.
David (purlease!) Gilmour on the other hand never claimed to be a Dylan-like genius on the songwriting front. He seems happy to be part of a very successful musical partnership and with his significant contribution to it. Happy too to end it after it ran its course.
He also loves his wife.
Waters (who admittedly comes across as a bit of an asshole) wrote not one but two of the best selling albums of all time. Popularity doesn’t necessarily equate with quality, but nonetheless it’s an achievement that can’t be glibly dismissed.
Not sure which albums you’re referring to specifically but, assuming they are either Dark Side, Wish you Were Here or The Wall then even a cursory glance at the songwriting credits will reveal that Waters did nor write these albums. He co-wrote them. If what he is concerned about is credit where it’s due then it kinda works both ways.
Dark Side and The Wall. I think he wrote all the lyrics (and all but 4 of the 26 songs on The Wall).
Still a co-write.
Co writing a tiny bit of the album hardly makes you an equal.
Waters is an egotistical genius lyricist who is difficult to work with.
Gilmour seems easier to work with but he’s behaving quite awkwardly in all this too
I think neither of them can accept they are not good enough without the other
To misquote the Television Personalities, I know where David Gilmour lives. Then again, there’s no secrecy around it. He and his wife have a new, Grand Designs type building, and it’s in the oddest place, slap bang on the Hove seafront, next door to Marocco’s ice cream parlour, which tends to have queues around the block. I always thought a degree of seclusion was desired by the Grand Design types, but no, anyone can ring their doorbell as they wait in line for their rum n raisin.
Wall’s, I trust?
Chapeau.
The Thin Ice… Cream
All this Gilmour vs Waters brouhaha is just a a distraction from the unsung hero of Pink Floyd: Richard Wright.
Seriously, what would Dark Side have been without Us And Them and Great Gig In The Sky?
He did have a way with a tune. Remember a Day is worthy of Syd. He looked distressingly similar to John Major in his later years. But that’s another topic altogether.
Hard to imagine Echoes or Shine on… or Pigs sounding as good without Wright’s unique contributions. But the argument isn’t about artistic merit – it’s about credit (which means money when you’re short of it; and bragging rights when you’re short of sufficient ego massage).
If someone has posted this here before, I am sorry, but here is a musicologist explaining at some length why Rick Wright’s contribution to PF was significant.
Sad to see that this is still going on really especially as on both points Roger and David are half right/half wrong.
Appreciate that ‘mystique’ has been part of Floyd’s presentation style for a long time, but there’s nothing in the sleeve notes that anyone buying the boxset won’t know already – it’s all been in biographies, documentaries etc so it’s hardly disclosing undiscovered secrets.
Roger is correct regarding the original loop for Money, but he hasn’t mentioned that the loop was then re-recorded at Abbey Road for the album. Nick Mason has spoken about this before as he remembered each loop for each individual sound being spooled around mike stands to be mixed. together. Likely that David was referring to this session?
Imagine Roger Waters and Donovan in the same room…
When the Mongoose Broke Free.
(This is a brilliant joke, trust me)
There’s something really quite sad about this.
Just f***ing ludicrous, more like.
I don’t really care about their squabbling so bollox to the pair of them.
They won’t be seeing any more of my money.
Oh come come now, rock and roll really is dead when we start expecting musicians to behave like civilised grown-ups, even if they are pushing eighty.
I think of Rog and Dave as Burns and Matthau in the Sunshine Boys.
“Pokedy-poke-poke-pokedy-poke!”
Or Statler and Waldorf
Statler and Waldorf don’t hate each other. Or at least not enough to refuse to share a box at the theatre.
They just hate everything they see there.
So, if I understand it correctly, the album reissue was delayed several years because two band members had different views on the recording of “Money” (which was on the previous album…).
Very Pink Floyd.
You’ve got the wrong end of the stick…..
Story of my life 😉
This just in…
https://newsthump.com/2021/06/04/roger-waters-was-the-most-talented-handsome-and-best-in-bed-member-of-pink-floyd-by-roger-waters/
Tremendous.
It IS tremendous!
Animals is the album at which I gave up on ver Floyd. It just never connected with me and I didn’t buy it or anything else after. No regrets.
I absolutely loved them until Animals but at the time it felt like it lacked all the things that made me love them and it was all form and function over melody. No matter how sonically interesting they were before that, there was always a great tune underpinning stuff and that stopped with Animals for me.
I’ve gone back to it several times over the years, including recently, but it was them, not me.
It seems a poster at the Their Mortal Remains exhibition, currently in LA, gives a release date of June 2022. Presumably delayed (yet again) for the reissue of AMLOR later this month.