Moby wrote in his autobiography of dating actress Natalie Portman. She disagreed with his memory of events.
Moby, the sexist?
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Moby wrote in his autobiography of dating actress Natalie Portman. She disagreed with his memory of events.
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He’s long struck me as “the creep’s creep”. Also I’ve never seen the point of his car-commercial music.
“What’s wrong with being sexy?”
Moby grope perhaps.
Hasn’t this been discussed here before? He may be a “creep” but I actually feel a bit sorry for him. His book tour has been cancelled and any hope of a career revival is in the garbage.
While there was a significant age difference between them. it was hardly Wyman/Smith territory. He may have genuinely thought that the “relationship” meant more than she did. I heard a US DJ defending him the other day, stating that as Portman had apparently travelled with him to different states that constituted more of a relationship than she seemed to remember. She may be embarassed about it now, but possibly felt different at the time.
Well, he’s also wrong, by his own words. He says 20; the math works out (as she says) that she was 18.
Her statement seemed pretty clear to me as well.
The difference between being 18 or 20 can be just over one year and regarding maturity I think a less significant difference than, say, between 16 and 18. Anyway, maybe he thought she was 20?
@Dai, yes – I read his autobiography recently and felt that there is no shortage of self-laceration and loathing more or less throughout and indeed, his account doesn’t exactly paint Portman as an unwilling participant. My understanding is he said, we had a relationship, she said, bollocks we did and now being 2019, his career is effectively over
He doesn’t pull punches when it comes to analysing his bizarre, self indulgent lifestyle at the height of his fame and the emptiness at the heart of it. I do feel there has been something of an unwarranted pile on here. He makes it plain in his book he was incapable of ‘dating’ due to his mental health and anxiety issues and of course a pretty herculean intake of booze, pills’n’powders.
For such a non-story, I’ve been a bit taken aback at the hostility aimed at Moby. One assumes he didn’t notify Portman before publication, which he should have done. But Portman’s reaction seemed unnecessarily cruel and dismissive, and set the tone for an unpleasant and unsubstantiated narrative about his entire character.
Um, that’s an interesting reading. The allegations about his…creepiness are fairly well documented.
Your “cruel and dismissive” sounds to me like a grown woman talking about what happened to her 18 year old self. She can’t defend herself?
Give it a rest. They were both adults. They hung out together. The significance of that time means different things to them now. They are celebs disagreeing in public.
Have to agree with Martin @Sitheref2409. Of course she can defend herself but let’s at least have an element of truth. Their relationship was open knowledge at the time, for her to deny it now frankly makes her look a bit silly.
We need some sense of decency in all of these lurid tales of sexual predators. Shouldn’t
there be a duty of care to verify claims before careers are destroyed or do we just take every accusation at face value?
If you already haven’t you might want to read Arwa Mahdawi’s opinion of the whole relationship saga in the Guardian. Her comments about Natalie Portman’s “grimace grin” in a photo posted on instagram by Moby show how just ridiculously hysterical all this has become.
Yes, I was thinking about that piece when I mentioned the hostility. Her extrapolation was extraordinary.
Do you have a link?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/24/moby-natalie-portman-master-class-beta-male-misogyny
Thank you and oh dear.
Yeah but its Arwa Mahdawi, that’s what she does, fuelling the Twitterati at their most sanctimonious.
Yes, I read that. A photo is a split second in someone’s lives. She was able to construct a whole relationship (or non relationship) from one, seemingly without any context whatsoever. Terrible excuse for journalism.
“…it’s the face you put on when you don’t want to offend a dude who is hitting on you. It’s the face you put on because you’ve been socialized to be nice and polite and you’re worried about how the guy will react if you make it too clear you have zero interest in him. It’s the face you put on because you’re worried you might end up dead…”
For goodness sake.
She had JUST turned 18, so yes, I think the age is a factor that can’t just be set aside.
I might have missed something, but where is the evidence that there was an actual relationship, as opposed to two people who happened to be in the same circle?
Are we just taking his word for it? An era when he was, by his own admission, he was binge drinking? I haven’t found any evidence that seems to stand his claim up.
What construes a relationship? Sex? Just once or more than once? Kissing? Holding hands? Long walks in the park? Travelling together? Long phone conversations?
Constitutes
I dont see why JUST is in capitals. She was 18. Also dont see why you are defending her. A poor damsel in distress? Hardly.
Blah blah blah here we go again. Given that their relationship was pretty widely reported ar the time it is a bit disingenuous of her to deny it happened.
Why doesnt she just say it was a mistake and leave it at that. Takk about a woman scorned etc. Unbelievable.
Sounds more like Moby the fantacist.
Having read his first autobiography, despite not thinking much of his music, and come to the conclusion that he’s a pretty uninteresting person and a bit of a dickhead to boot, I’m in no hurry to read the new one, if it eventually sees the light of day.
I mean, what has he actually DONE to warrant two autobiographies?
I don’t know anything at all about the supposed “relationship” between Natalie Portman and him and I suspect neither do most people currently opining about it. We all know what it is that opinions resemble, don’t we?
If he was never more than a drunken creep who was hanging around her, then I completely understand her anger about being claimed as an ex-girlfriend. If not, then I don’t. But I don’t know and frankly I’m disinclined to speculate without any actual facts.
Absolutely agree.
Is this the worst behaviour Jan Moby got up to during the eighties/nineties? Wasn’t sexism standard footballer’s practice back then? I would hope there’s far more salacious stories in his autobiography.
If harbouring fantasies about getting up to stuff with Natalie Portman is now an offence, should I expert the rozzers to come knocking at the door any minute..?
I read Porcelain and quite enjoyed it. For most of it he is sober – but towards the end he’s drinking again. It was a change from the redemption narrative that often happens where the author is now happy/centred and serene. Not the case with this book.