Me too Chiz.
The days of fountain pens at school were a shocker. Chequered books a pain in the arse.
For golf and cricket I adopt the right hand position. A golfing mate said I’d never be any good.
Same with Mickey Dolenz, I believe, though in his case it was simply that no-one bothered to ask him beforehand and proceeded to teach him on a righty kit.
Yes and no. I write left-handed (having been liberated from Miss Murphy’s clutches by my furious mother), throw and bowl left-handed, clean my teeth left-handed. Kicking a football, batting, playing tennis and guitar – all right-handed or -footed. I’m pretty much ambidextrous with tools (oo-er missus etc). Use a mouse with both hands too, depending on how the RSI is going.
I mentioned this last time the subject came up: I shared a flat with 4 women, and all 5 of us were lefties. What are the odds?
I was initially going to put that no, I’m just cack handed…… But then something in the deep dark recesses of my brain triggered that I recall someone telling me that cack handed originally did mean left handed. ? I suppose I could check on Google.
This is because you’d use your non dominant hand to wipe your backside with – which for nearly everybody was their left.
The left hand was seen as unclean (as Junior found with using it to eat) and ungodly – hence sinister.
Don’t forget that 100 years ago, children were forced to use their right hand, left hand tied to stop them using it – this was meant to have caused George vi’s stutter.
The persecution of lefties went on a lot later than that. Kids were still being punished and humiliated for doing what came naturally well into the 1960s. 1970s – I wasn’t allowed to sit by the window in the classroom because my elbow might jog the righty’s next to me; 1980’s, I was 17, batting against some serious quicks, before I even saw a left-handed batting glove; at practice, the coach would stand at the end of the right-handed bowlers’ run up, while I’d stand alone at mine, ten yards away… at college, those discriminatory lecture theatre chairs… as a young teacher, smudging everything I wrote on the white board or contorting like a gymnast to avoid it… man, my people have suffered.
(mentioned this last time) I’m extremely left handed. The only thing I regularly use right handed are scissors, cutting with right & guiding with left. I think this is down to late 60s infant school having a tin box full of blunt scissors & the teacher insisting I went with what the other pupils were doing – all righties.
I was talking about this to my sisters a few weeks ago & trying to remember what my left handed father did, but was reminded how he’d get frustrated & pass most things to the right handed members of the family.
Given the way that attitudes have changed towards language that discriminates against minorities, maybe it’s time we banned terms like Dexterous and Sinister. 10% of the population are left behind by these rightist slurs. This is not right. We must fight (southpaw, obviously) for the rights of Lefties! I mean the lefts of Lefties! You have nothing to lose but your badly-trimmed fingernails and ink-stained hands!
Out of interest, how does the tailor determine the, er, direction of dangle? Do they use some kind of instrument, or just stare at your groin for a bit?
I believe they shove their bevinlayed engloved hands down yer treeks, grab and suspend ones lower appendage(s) causing the upper appendage to fall into an area of space to either the right or left.
These actions are accompanied by considered and knowing harrumphs and affirmative grunts. On rare occasions, where doubt exists, you may hear, in appropriate and subdued tones (barely a whisper actually) ‘up a little, down a little’. And that’s it. Throughout this entire process there is no eye contact between tailor and customer.
One is then ushered into a consultation room where ones dexterity is confirmed.
Left handed, but play drums and guitar right handed, probably because I learned by picking up other people’s gear, and none of my musical friends were lefties. Same with golf, a game I hate, but the few times I played it as a kid it was with my dad’s righty clubs.
There’s absolutely no stigma attached to being left handed. None at all. Left-handed person quite as good as a right-handed person in every way.
Except writing. Unless you live in a country where the writing goes from right to left, you have to sort of curl your hand over the top of the line so you can a) see what you’re doing, and b) not smear it all to hell.. That looks pretty funny, actually. Lefties hooking their claw over like that so they can “write backwards”. Quite understand kids getting taunted unmercifully for that. And the occasional thrashing. Get thrashed often enough and maybe they’ll end up writing like normal people.
Actually HP its the same in countries that write left to right. When using a fountain pen at school I would invariably smudge my work until I developed a style where me let hand was curled crab-like over the top of the line I was writing. Lost count of the number of people who commented on it over the years however not in recent times.
and the slope, the natural slope is not what s prescribed so you have to tilt the book at an angleto comply with the dictates.
Grievances
writing -see above
cheque butts see above above, with other butts I am impresssively ambidextrous
the fold down writing desk in lecture theatres -always on the wrong side
scissors – gotta buy over priced left handed scissors, should be same price and equally available
turntables – get em to go the other way with the arm on the left
No idea how it happened (certainly not down to Miss Murphy) but I’ve never had a problem with writing left-handed. My hand is always underneath what I’m writing, so no smudging, sloping etc. I’ve had compliments…
Play guitar left hand but can’t get on with left handed guitars. They look remarkably odd to me. I have a righty Strat I invert a la Jimi. I love it and it looks cool. Whereas inverted Les Pauls simply do not.
I was often asked as a kid how I coped with scissors etc as a lefty. Very well as it happened. I’ve never found using such things with my left hand any bother, because I’d never use them with my right in the first place. My left handed way was the only way I knew.
Same with handwriting. I used fountain pens at school and still do now. A brief few weeks of smudged handwriting until I adapted a way round it. No problem.
Bounce back and forwards..think I’m left handed but almost everything I can do with either hand (!) It’s a curse I can live with . Mixed Brain Dominance, awkward but endearing….
I know I’ve mentioned this before, but out of me and my siblings, only two of the seven (including me) are righties like our parents. The rest are a bunch of weirdos.
Left-handed, as well. Though I play guitar the normal way, which may have affected how I feel about my two hands – the left is more regimented, ordered, while the right is more ‘artistic’.
That thing about numbing your hand before self-pleasuring – it’s the right hand that takes the lead there as well, for similar reasons.
I always thought Macca being a lefty meant the Beatles had a very nice symmetry when Lennon sang and George and Paul sang BVs into one mic. Tidy. I bet no one else has noticed that.
Johnny Concheroo says
Me! Thankfully I play guitar right-handed. But for most other things, including writing, just call me Lefty.
Twang says
Like Gary Moore. Left/right i mean!
yorkio says
I’m the exact opposite – right-handed for more or less everything *except* for playing guitar.
Junior Wells says
Me too Chiz.
The days of fountain pens at school were a shocker. Chequered books a pain in the arse.
For golf and cricket I adopt the right hand position. A golfing mate said I’d never be any good.
bricameron says
Ringo. Forced to play right handed hence his style. Immaculate feel for the songs in any case.
Sniffity says
Same with Mickey Dolenz, I believe, though in his case it was simply that no-one bothered to ask him beforehand and proceeded to teach him on a righty kit.
mikethep says
Yes and no. I write left-handed (having been liberated from Miss Murphy’s clutches by my furious mother), throw and bowl left-handed, clean my teeth left-handed. Kicking a football, batting, playing tennis and guitar – all right-handed or -footed. I’m pretty much ambidextrous with tools (oo-er missus etc). Use a mouse with both hands too, depending on how the RSI is going.
I mentioned this last time the subject came up: I shared a flat with 4 women, and all 5 of us were lefties. What are the odds?
SteveT says
Left handed in everything except golf. I am crap at golf – maybe that is why?
Chrisf says
I was initially going to put that no, I’m just cack handed…… But then something in the deep dark recesses of my brain triggered that I recall someone telling me that cack handed originally did mean left handed. ? I suppose I could check on Google.
Junior Wells says
I used to get “the look”all the time in Africa coz I’d instinctively go to eat food with my left hand.
minibreakfast says
I’ve tweeted Susie Dent about this. If anyone knows, it’s her.
bungliemutt says
From the Oxford Dictionary
1Inept; clumsy: a great song ruined by cack-handed production
2 derogatory Left-handed.
Origin
Mid 19th century: from cack, in the sense ‘excrement’, + hand + -ed2.
Timbar says
This is because you’d use your non dominant hand to wipe your backside with – which for nearly everybody was their left.
The left hand was seen as unclean (as Junior found with using it to eat) and ungodly – hence sinister.
Don’t forget that 100 years ago, children were forced to use their right hand, left hand tied to stop them using it – this was meant to have caused George vi’s stutter.
chiz says
The persecution of lefties went on a lot later than that. Kids were still being punished and humiliated for doing what came naturally well into the 1960s. 1970s – I wasn’t allowed to sit by the window in the classroom because my elbow might jog the righty’s next to me; 1980’s, I was 17, batting against some serious quicks, before I even saw a left-handed batting glove; at practice, the coach would stand at the end of the right-handed bowlers’ run up, while I’d stand alone at mine, ten yards away… at college, those discriminatory lecture theatre chairs… as a young teacher, smudging everything I wrote on the white board or contorting like a gymnast to avoid it… man, my people have suffered.
Timbar says
(mentioned this last time) I’m extremely left handed. The only thing I regularly use right handed are scissors, cutting with right & guiding with left. I think this is down to late 60s infant school having a tin box full of blunt scissors & the teacher insisting I went with what the other pupils were doing – all righties.
I was talking about this to my sisters a few weeks ago & trying to remember what my left handed father did, but was reminded how he’d get frustrated & pass most things to the right handed members of the family.
chiz says
Given the way that attitudes have changed towards language that discriminates against minorities, maybe it’s time we banned terms like Dexterous and Sinister. 10% of the population are left behind by these rightist slurs. This is not right. We must fight (southpaw, obviously) for the rights of Lefties! I mean the lefts of Lefties! You have nothing to lose but your badly-trimmed fingernails and ink-stained hands!
attackdog says
Why? What’s wrong with the description dexterous/ambidextrous?
I just hope it’s not too painful and wish you a full and speedy recovery.
chiz says
Dexterous: From the Greek dexios, meaning ‘right-handed, fortunate, skilled’.
Sinister: In heraldry, meaning ‘of the left’
attackdog says
Jeez.
I ‘dress’ to the left.
chiz says
And I bet some of your best friends are left handed, yeah?
attackdog says
I should have added above that is as advised by my tailor.
As regards some of my best friends? Having read some of the responses on here I daren’t look, let alone ask.
chiz says
Out of interest, how does the tailor determine the, er, direction of dangle? Do they use some kind of instrument, or just stare at your groin for a bit?
attackdog says
I believe they shove their bevinlayed engloved hands down yer treeks, grab and suspend ones lower appendage(s) causing the upper appendage to fall into an area of space to either the right or left.
These actions are accompanied by considered and knowing harrumphs and affirmative grunts. On rare occasions, where doubt exists, you may hear, in appropriate and subdued tones (barely a whisper actually) ‘up a little, down a little’. And that’s it. Throughout this entire process there is no eye contact between tailor and customer.
One is then ushered into a consultation room where ones dexterity is confirmed.
Do you really not know this kind of thing?
chiz says
Mine just asks.
Wilson Wilson says
Left handed, but play drums and guitar right handed, probably because I learned by picking up other people’s gear, and none of my musical friends were lefties. Same with golf, a game I hate, but the few times I played it as a kid it was with my dad’s righty clubs.
H.P. Saucecraft says
There’s absolutely no stigma attached to being left handed. None at all. Left-handed person quite as good as a right-handed person in every way.
Except writing. Unless you live in a country where the writing goes from right to left, you have to sort of curl your hand over the top of the line so you can a) see what you’re doing, and b) not smear it all to hell.. That looks pretty funny, actually. Lefties hooking their claw over like that so they can “write backwards”. Quite understand kids getting taunted unmercifully for that. And the occasional thrashing. Get thrashed often enough and maybe they’ll end up writing like normal people.
SteveT says
Actually HP its the same in countries that write left to right. When using a fountain pen at school I would invariably smudge my work until I developed a style where me let hand was curled crab-like over the top of the line I was writing. Lost count of the number of people who commented on it over the years however not in recent times.
chiz says
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/botlblonds/CpuOBKAXEAAWhV1.jpg
Junior Wells says
still a problem with biros but not to the same extent
Junior Wells says
and the slope, the natural slope is not what s prescribed so you have to tilt the book at an angleto comply with the dictates.
Grievances
writing -see above
cheque butts see above above, with other butts I am impresssively ambidextrous
the fold down writing desk in lecture theatres -always on the wrong side
scissors – gotta buy over priced left handed scissors, should be same price and equally available
turntables – get em to go the other way with the arm on the left
H.P. Saucecraft says
Still checking butts at your age?
Junior Wells says
defs, alas more window shopping these days
mikethep says
No idea how it happened (certainly not down to Miss Murphy) but I’ve never had a problem with writing left-handed. My hand is always underneath what I’m writing, so no smudging, sloping etc. I’ve had compliments…
Eloise MacGuffin says
I just turn the paper. No problem at all. By the way I think we should get presents. I demand a new pair of tailors shears.
SteveT says
Genuine question: I had no idea there was a left handed and right handed way to play drums. How so?
H.P. Saucecraft says
http://www.contemporarymusicproject.com/teaching%20lefties.html
bungliemutt says
Use my right hand for everything…. but have always kicked a football with my left foot. Always seemed the natural thing to do.
Twang says
Same with Twang Jr. Can play pool ambidextrously too. Otherwise righty.
Beezer says
As left handed as you like.
Play guitar left hand but can’t get on with left handed guitars. They look remarkably odd to me. I have a righty Strat I invert a la Jimi. I love it and it looks cool. Whereas inverted Les Pauls simply do not.
I was often asked as a kid how I coped with scissors etc as a lefty. Very well as it happened. I’ve never found using such things with my left hand any bother, because I’d never use them with my right in the first place. My left handed way was the only way I knew.
Same with handwriting. I used fountain pens at school and still do now. A brief few weeks of smudged handwriting until I adapted a way round it. No problem.
Lodestone of Wrongness says
Bounce back and forwards..think I’m left handed but almost everything I can do with either hand (!) It’s a curse I can live with . Mixed Brain Dominance, awkward but endearing….
minibreakfast says
I know I’ve mentioned this before, but out of me and my siblings, only two of the seven (including me) are righties like our parents. The rest are a bunch of weirdos.
salwarpe says
Left-handed, as well. Though I play guitar the normal way, which may have affected how I feel about my two hands – the left is more regimented, ordered, while the right is more ‘artistic’.
That thing about numbing your hand before self-pleasuring – it’s the right hand that takes the lead there as well, for similar reasons.
What’s that you say? TMI?
Twang says
Gary Moore was a lefty who played righty and he said he thought it helped him that his more dextrous and stronger hand did the fiddly bit.
Beezer says
Same with Mark Knopfler. He’s a lefty who plays righty.
He’s stated that using his dominant hand to fret the strings and make chords was the obvious thing to do when he first picked a guitar up.
Fintinlimbim says
And Wilko Johnson.
Fintinlimbim says
He does it right.
hubert rawlinson says
And Ryley Walker.
The rhythm section of Fotheringay are both lefties too.
Johnny Concheroo says
Shane Pacey, late of the Afterword and guitarist with Aussie bluesers Bondi Cigars is a lefty guitarist.
The band also has another left-handed player in Eben Hale, making them one of the few bands in the world with two lefty guitar players.
Twang says
I always thought Macca being a lefty meant the Beatles had a very nice symmetry when Lennon sang and George and Paul sang BVs into one mic. Tidy. I bet no one else has noticed that.
hubert rawlinson says
Just seen Terry Thomas playing guitar left handed in some obscure film ‘a Date with a Dream’
H.P. Saucecraft says
You want to ease off the magic mushrooms, Hubes …
hubert rawlinson says
Even worse he was dressed in lederhosen and yodeling. Thanks for the concern Saucy will take your advice on board.
mikethep says
Hubert’s not making it up, you know. It’s on YT.
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g401/mikethep/TT_Snapseed_zpsjsv4sy0o.jpg
Johnny Concheroo says
Likewise, Paul McCartney was convinced that it was possible to be a left-handed guitarist after seeing pictures of 50s country star Slim Whitman
retropath2 says
I’m similar to Lode, but ambisinistrous.
hubert rawlinson says
Read recently that Dylan is left handed which I have never seen before. Can anyone confirm this?