Sewer Robot on Comedy Horror
Comedy Horror, eh? It’s bleedin’ everywhere nowadays. In movies, in those comics your kids buy, even on proper, non-satellite, tv channels. But has its ubiquity blinded us to fact that this marriage of genres is an ill bred abomination? I mean, I like sitting at home at my “table” and I also enjoy a vigorous game of “tennis”, but that doesn’t mean I can just bolt these two words together to produce a game involving tennis-style skills that can be played indoors on a waist-high wooden surface.
The poet Patrick Kavanagh has a line about the newness that was in every stale thing when we looked at it as children. True dat – but it’s also true that there were loads of things we encountered as kids which, though of fairly recent vintage, we, in our stupid innocence, assumed had been around forever.
Chuckle worthy beasties were ubiquitous in the culture when we were kids. “Over He-e-e-r-e” were Scooby and Shaggy hiding from ghosts in the pantry, over there was Creature Teacher and the other assorted ghouls of Monster Fun comic. We bought gum containing cards where the black and white monsters from old RKO films cracked one liners. Come Halloween we’d laugh through our own plastic fangs as the elastic snapped on our friends’ sweaty masks.
That night was a perfect example of how the most nonsensical and unlikely mishmash of Paganism, Christian Hell fetish and figures from Hollywood movies could seem a perfectly reasonable thing to someone born the day before yesterday.
Between those gum cards, The Munsters and Monster Fun, stiff-of-walk geezers with stitches and bolts through their neck were just the silliest.
And then on tv one night I saw the trailer for the original black and white Frankenstein movie and I was terrified.
So, how thoroughly undignified was it that, a very short time later, I saw Karloff repeat the role, this time playing against Abbott and Costello for laffs.
At the same time we were laughing at various silly onscreen spooks, we also got to hear the grisly fairy tales of a previous century – stories about the sinister Pied Piper and kids getting baked in an oven. These grim tales of the pre-pictures era were presented Poe-faced. If you were looking for humor it would be the image of the wolf dressed Red Riding Hood’s granny’s nightie with his sparkling row of great big teeth.
The old stuff was genuinely scary, as stories read, or read to you, allowed the possibility to amplify the scary details with the darkness of your imagination, like the way you became paralyzed with fear every time the shadows in your bedroom turned into scary monsters and super creeps..
So, if pure horror is perfectly realized in the mind’s eye, can we explain the rise of comedy horror by the limitations of visual effects..? Growing into adolescence I began to appreciate the heaving bosoms of Hammer and Amicus, but – hey! – that bat is on a string, the Wolf Man always seems to conveniently disappear offscreen mid-transformation and I’ve seen enough blood to know it doesn’t look like that… (the ketchuppy blood problem makes one think Frankenstein was so scary precisely because it was in black and white).
It would be fair to say that Hammer/ Amicus cranked them out, and such a production line mentality meant cheaper effects, formulaic plots and constantly reusing sets. And they weren’t alone in that respect, for much of its history horror has been seen as “b (or even “c”) grade” material and made as cheaply as possible to maximize turnover.
Formulas are suspense killers: once people know what to expect they are unlikely to be surprised and consequently less likely to be genuinely scared.
And anything with a recognizable formula is open to being lampooned, so another British cinematic production line – home to Jim Dale, Kenneth Williams and Joan Sims, brought the world Carry On Screaming. It’s one of their best, having an actual (and quite novel) plot, decent make up and mise en scène and fistbitingly fabulous Fenella Fielding is quite literally smoking.
The Carry Ons were just a series of tableaux into which our familiar cast inserted their double entendres so the scenario in Carry On Screaming is just a “situation” for comedy like any other.
But while it’s easy to see how you can employ horror in your comedy (really that’s what’s happening in Munsters/Monster Fun etc), shoehorning comedy into your horror – that’s another thing entirely.
A simple way is to use the limited effects for laughs – for example, the zombie cat wrestling scene in Re-animator.
Sometimes the makers of horror find some deliciously nasty wicked wit in their tales of torture. One thinks of Vincent Price’s revenge on dismissive critics in Theatre Of Blood, such as Robert Morley being presented with a plateful of his beloved poodles to eat.
Sometimes the inherent camp is amplified (Camplified, if you like) as in the Dr Phibes films.
These films also star Vincent Price, an actor with a gift for walking the comic-horror tightrope.
Because the real trick with this genre is getting the tone right.
Although, getting it wrong can be unintentionally hilarious: you would need a heart of stone not to explode with laughter at the notorious final “shock” in The Mist.
The scene in Planet Terror, where a lady leaves her kid in the car with a gun telling him to be careful with it, only to hear it go off before she’s taken ten steps is no more funny just because it’s meant to be funny.
If you want to set the tone there’s nothing like a daft pun title, try Chopping Mall or Zombeavers. And, proving – à la the Free As A Bird hitmakers – that having a sh*t pun in your title doesn’t necessarily mean an absence of quality, (indeed perhaps the contrary) there’s Shaun Of The Dead.
There’s a scene in the middle of SOTD where Shaun’s group, while sneaking through some gardens, encounter another similar assortment of people coming the other way. This idea, that there are other perspectives and we could just as easily be watching their movie has great comic potential.
Aaah! Zombies (a.k.a.) Wasting Away is a zombie film from the perspective of newly-turned Zombies who think everyone else has gone crazy. Clues to their situation emerge gradually:
“Hey. Are you ……eating that guy’s brains?” etc.
What We Do In The Shadows presents, documentary style, the practical difficulties of maintaining a vampiric existence in the contemporary suburban world rather than in lofty past-century castles in places ending in -ania.
In Tucker And Dale Versus Evil, teenagers with an acquired but unfounded fear of woods dwellers manage to kill themselves one by one while the woodsmen remain amusingly perplexed by their behaviour, guessing drugs must be involved somehow.
A further comic trick is to have more and more ridiculous sources of terror.
In another film from New Zealand, ovine horror Black Sheep, features the tag line “The Violence Of The Lambs”. Jennifer Aniston’s first movie credit was in the film Leprechaun (Top O The Mourning To Your Next Of Kin!)
Chucky, the killer DOLL from the Child’s Play movies became a controversial figure when he was cited (by, presumably, otherwise sensible people) as influencing several real life murders, including in the case of Jamie Bulger.
While there is no real evidence that onscreen violence is a cause of real life harm, the trajectory of the Chucky character is an interesting one. Film studios nowadays love franchises, so in many cases what might have been seen as the natural narrative of horror – regular people being placed in peril before ultimately emerging safe – which provides both the spine tingling thrills of terror and the catharsis of overcoming it, has had to take a back seat to keeping the monster available for possible sequels.
When the regular people are being killed off but the monster keeps returning, well then the monster is the star of the film. And that, in turn, means we begin to identify with him. And one way to do that is to give him more comedic one liners. As the Child’s Play series progresses, “Child’s Play” disappears from the titles and they become the “Chucky” films. The Nightmare On Elm Street films exercise a little more restraint title wise, but the posters for every one leave you in no doubt who is the star from film 2 on.
Robert Englund’s comic chops enable the transformation of Freddie Krueger into Freddie Star, a charismatic, wisecracking (almost) antihero whose continued presence, movie after movie, somehow becomes less threatening and just …silly.
In turn, this kind of how-far-can-you-stretch-it silliness (Freddie. Versus Jason! In space!), added to the ever-present phenomenon of cheaply made and formulaic horror and the rise of a cine-literate and smartarse audience has led to the phenomenon of “hate watching” horror for kicks.
Nightmare On Elm Street guy Wes Craven addressed this in the self-aware classic Scream. Here, the plot is based on following as well as cleverly undermining the established rules and tropes of slasher films, as explained in one expository scene by a geeky video store know-it-all (who we are actually meant to like). These kids know better than to investigate the noise in the cellar as they’ve seen the films. In fact, one of the characters says that if they make a movie of this she hopes she won’t be played by Tori Spelling. In Scream 2 they make are making a movie about the events in the first film and Tori Spelling is in it.
Scream 2 opens with a framing scene of a black couple watching the new scary movie and bemoaning the fate of black characters in slasher films. They are almost immediately killed by ol’ Ghostface.
Wes Craven is happy to acknowledge the way his horror audience and how they experience these films has evolved, but, in Scream, he is also demanding respect for his ability to scare us. And to surprise us – as with the fate of poster girl and assumed star Drew Barrymore.
Despite containing their own critique, the Scream films begat the Wayans brothers’ largely forgettable Scary Movie trilogy. Really, how do you outdo a film which has a girl killed after failing to escape through a catflap?
Pastiche ain’t what it used to be. In 1974 Mel Brooks and Gene Wilder gave the world perhaps the masterpiece of comedy horror, Young Frankenstein. This film uses a largely authentic recreation of the atmosphere of the black and white classics as a launchpad for absurd, physical and verbal gags, brilliantly utilizing the unique comic qualities of Wilder, Marty Feldman and Madeline Khan and extracting note perfect performances from Cloris Leachman, Peter Boyle and Teri Garr.
The same reverence for its sources and attention to detail is found in much of Reece Shearsmith and Steve Pemberton’s Inside No 9 series.
This is never more effective than in series 1 closer The Harrowing, when the twin classic tropes of teenagers half-afraid of creepy weirdo neighbours and campy OTT vampires in a mundane and restricting domestic setting come together in an unhappy ending. (Mind, it’s belly laughs almost all the way ‘til the end).
Back in the day, if you wanted to leave a theatre having been terrified to your wits’ end and had some hearty chuckles, then the film for you was An American Werewolf In London. John Landis and his team got the effects so spot on that they transformed not just cinema but the history of pop music too, while Griffin Dunne’s fantastic deadpan (SWIDT) performance as the decomposing werewolf victim Jack provides the delicious black humour.
While Wes Craven was happy to expose and mess with the tropes of horror for Scream, in The Cabin In The Woods, Joss Whedon deconstructs the premise behind all teen slasher films. It’s clever, but it’s also very funny as the bureaucracy behind the facilitation of evil is revealed. Hey! It’s just like your job. They have a sweep on which monsters will be unleashed by the hapless victims. “I really wanted to see a Merman”, says office drone. Half an hour later he is eaten by a Merman.
And, in a useful message to the youth of America, the only one of the kids not confused by the brainwashing gas of sinister behind-the-scenes forces is the one who brought his own stash and travel mug bong.
‘Course, if you were playing Only Connect with the clues “Horror”, “Comedy” and “Cabin In The Woods”, your first thought would probably be Ashley Williams from the Evil Dead movies and tv spinoff.
It was recently announced that the current, third series of Ash v Evil Dead will be the last, which means we may be approaching the end of a comedy horror era, when Bruce Campbell hangs up his chainsaw for good.
In many ways that bizarre mixture we call comedy horror has justified its existence by giving this man (on and off) work for forty years.
Here’s hoping he took the news of the show’s cancellation on the chin..

Please chip in with thoughts about your favorites wot I’ve left out. Here’s that cat. Even funnier in French:
Remember when kids used to have those Shaun the Sheep backpacks?
Shaun of the Dead is one of my favourite films. Not only is it an affectionate riff on the zombie films I love, it also pokes a lot of fun at London living, i.e. there’s a zombie outbreak all around them and they’re so wrapped up in themselves they don’t even notice.
I also really enjoyed What We Do In The Shadows, learning that vampires’ arch enemies are werewolves and vampire hunters! It plays like a vampire Spinal Tap.
One of my favourites that you missed out was The Fearless Vampire Killers. Incredibly atmospheric and uses one of my favourite Hammer films, The Brides Of Dracula, as an influence. Alfie Bass has the best line in the film, but I won’t spoil it for anyone who hasn’t seen it. It was one of the first ‘horror’ films I saw as a kid and I can still remember that night’s nightmare. I just wish they’d tidy it up and do a special edition Blu Ray, as it’s my favourite Polanski film.
Cockneys V Zombies is patchy, but the sight of a zombie chasing a zimmer frame using pensioner was great fun. And there’s a great ‘pensioner zombie’ scene in the even more patchy Flight Of The Dead. I was just talking about this with my dad and said that when I see a new zombie film (I think I must have seen them all!) I like to see something different and that particular scene made me laugh.
Great piece. Two quick things:
– Did you mean po-faced rather than Poe-faced? If it’s a joke, it’s one that reminds me of the great Roger Corman, whose outrageously disrespectful Poe films belong firmly in your survey.
– “By the heaving bosoms of Hammer and Amicus!” is now my oath of choice.
A very entertaining overview. Sewer,
Comedy horror goes back probably to the very beginning of the movies. It was well-established by 1948 when Abbott and Costello met the monsters.
Slightly more modern and a lot more bloody is Cockneys vs Zombies. Not seen the movie but the trailer is a lot of fun.
Great piece. I especially enjoyed the Table Tennis analogy, a game that unites a family for all ages. It’s certainly less destructive than Monopoly. It made me realise that two of my current favourite genres are hybrids: Classical/Pop and Jazz/Reggae.
Today, I am listening to Janelle Monae. She is very funny.
I hope this helps your thread, @Sewer-Robot. It certainly deserves a leg up towards a hundred comments but I don’t watch movies much these days. Where do you stand on the last series of Twin Peaks? I laughed and it was horrible.
Sorry Tiggs, I’ve never seen a minute of any series of Twin Peaks (and that despite the fact that its title makes me think of boobies)
I was excellent in those Twin Peaks.
Were you that filthy man that needed a loooong shower?
Well, many’s the time I’ve been asked how long I’m going to be in there.
The answer is always “about five foot seven”.
That’s nothing. Agent Cooper was lost in Twin Peaks for twenty years.
Taking Sewer’s definition, I’ve been lost in Twin Peaks my entire life.
Have you heard the Sly & Robbie / Nils Pettr Molvaer album that came out recently? It’s called Nordub, and is probably the very definition of (European, slightly ascetic) Jazz / Reggae
Also Dog Soldiers. More horror than comedy but 200% excellent.
Yes. Snow from Jamaica sounds very appealing. In practice, however, I can’t decide if I like it or not. It’s certainly best if they don’t sing.
Blimey! S & R have three new album credits in 2018.
That’s a whole Stone Roses discography and it’s still only April..
Four!
Mo’Kalamity Meets Sly & Robbie – One Love Vibration
Sly & Robbie’s Book Of Dubelation
Sly & Robbie Meet Dubmatix – Overdubbed
Sly & Robbie & Nils Petter Molvaer – Nordub
Thanks for that tip. Kid D. Intriguing. That I must give a good listen to. Here they are live together in concert in Poland.
In about 18 months time S & R will actually have worked with everybody on the planet. All that will remain will be for them to appear on Pointless.
I’m always fascinated to see the bass player grow to three times the size of the drummer as the years tick by. It must be a combination of physical activity, or lack thereof, and raw meat. Those bass strings need phat fingers.
One notable exception is Paul McCartney.
…another is Tina Weymouth. Mmmm.
And Chris needs to drum more. Or stop eating the pies.
This thread really should run and run.
So many interesting things to investigate further.
I had never heard of Amicus productions. However looking at a list of their films, I realise that they are certainly on my map.
For one thing, they did the Dr Who movies with Peter Cushing as the Doctor.
And Scream and scream again was certainly a film talked about in the playground.
More up to date, Tucker and Dale Vs Evil sounds absolutely wonderful. Such a witty idea for a film. I really want to see it. It is like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre retold by Leatherhead.
“Oops! Things just went horribly wrong.! Sorry!”
Mate, Amicus is the bomb. Amicus is Stax to Hammer’s Motown. So much to enjoy of a Friday or Saturday night when strong refreshment has been taken.
No real bats were hurt in the conduct of my research.
I am glad that I decided to read the OP only when I had enough time to really appreciate it. You just don’t get this kind of thing anywhere else.
Any others, you say? Well, people talk with some affection about BBC TV’s Rentaghost and it occurred to me the other day that I regularly use a catchphrase from it when completing a domestic task (“’tis done!”) – God I’m such a larf – but Rentaghost really was very poor. The ghosts-as-a-business thing was a helluva stretch but there was an ever-present pantomime horse as a character, so it wasn’t all bad.
An observation I can bring to the table is that it’s quite well-signalled when you are watching a comedy horror film and the gags take away any notion of being a bit uneasy and scared. Could Blue Velvet be just as disturbing if there were more laughs in it? A very disturbing scene can be made more macabre if it’s made amusing in some way. I didn’t see the American Psycho film but parts of the book are very funny and it’s done so well that it makes you wonder how twisted you might be yourself.
Rentaghost puts me in mind of David Hepworth saying that Mr Pastry was a funny thing to refer to but not actually funny to watch. It was, and is, terrible but not in an annoying way like Allo Allo (The Mrs Brown’s Boys of its day). Similarly, have you tried watching Terry and June? Painful stuff.
In other news, I think of Rentaghost literally every time the tautologous phrase “mansion house” is used.
The more and more desperate pursuit of laughs might be why Pastry gave up showbiz for a position in the Trump government.
You are Steve Bell!
Great piece, but Karloff didn’t play the monster in Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein. It was Glenn Strange.
Well corrected! A & C drafted Karloff and Lon Cheney Jr for their horror crossovers, but they didn’t reprise their most famous roles.
In fact, in Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein it was Bella Lugosi who put the fangs back in to play Dracula once more..
Nice piece. It made me think that, as emotions, laughter and terror are very close, almost intertwined in our heads. And maybe that’s why of all genre mixes these two work best together. Or at least relentlessly keep on coming back..
Yes, I had intended to make the observation that with hate watching, when the group of teens are sitting together and mocking the film, for some all that laughing would just be a cover for being scared..
So true, Sewer. Laughing is definitely a way of nervously defusing the fear that youngsters might be feeling.
Yes, good point Sewer, well made.
Does Tremors count as Comedy Horror? It has hungry man-eating underground monsters in it, at least. It’s a favourite of mine – the original featuring Kevin Bacon, that is. The sequels (sans Bacon) got more and more stupid, of course.
Excellent suggestion, and Kevin Bacon had to be connected somehow…
I watched Tremors again last night! One of the all time great giant worms under the ground eating people movies. My old DVD looks a bit ropey though. Does anyone know if there is a better transfer on the Bluray?
As far as the sequels go, Tremors 2 is reasonable, but 3 was a tremor too far for me, and I haven’t watched any of the subsequent ones. Number six was out (straight to DVD, natch) a few weeks ago and did reasonable business, so there are people out there who want them.
Eins Zwei ……Die!
Dead Snow: Spoilt Oslo brats meet Nazi zombies in Northern Norway.
Here’s one I made earlier. A year or two back we had a chat about this topic and I made this list. I am very glad to now add a few new titles to it and to talk about the topic again.
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls058518693/
Back in the 70s I saw a double bill of Paul Morrissey’s Blood for Dracula and Flesh for Frankenstein, products of Andy Warhol’s Factory. A kind of camp, slacker answer to Hammer.
An odd experience.They were made back to back with the same principal actors. All very laidback: I got the feeling that they were making the plot up as they went along. Acting skills were often conspicuous by their absence.
But yet they were oddly likeable and there were some very funny scenes. Dracula puking up after drinking the blood of a non-virgin. Joe Dallesandro heroically deflowering a virgin at great speed to save her from Drac.
Yep. The best vamps must need a good Virg-dar. Vamp mix ups remind me of this:
And we only did this a year ago? Crikey, I’m losing it (even if that is more than a dozen Sly & Robbie albums ago…)
Do not worry, Sewer. I created that list in March 2014. So it was a while back.
*gets out set of “You’ll Die Laughing” cards for nostalgiafest*
Excellent OP Mr Robot and great choices.
I nominate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBN_DbtMl4I
I was certain that Japan had produced a few comedy horror movies and I was right.
My soul is slashed is from 1991, A company man is killed his company and in their attempts to revive him, they give him the blood of Dracula! He comes back from the dead a year later…..
I could find no clips on YT but did find this clip by Mylene Farmer of a song with the same name. It is very bizarre.
What is a melon farmer doing on this thread?
I am not understanding.
Wiki have certainly done their homework on this topic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comedy_horror_films
Some of the films on this list are far more horror than comedy but there are a few finds.
How about Cannibal the Musical? Written by, directed and starring Trey Parker prior to South Park. Based on the true story one of the only convicted cannibals in US history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKr8VQmiZJg
Or the Cat and the Canary? Based on a Broadway play, it’s been re-made four times. The version from 1939 starring Bob Hope was very popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS983ISUqxM
Hmm – I hesitated before joining this thread. I actually never watch horror/comedy but in the early 90s I wrote the music for a film in this genre. You can watch it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJmyhrnLYBU
Wow! Respect dude. That is one of my favourite horror movies of all time.
I always think of it as kind of a live action Tom & Jerry cartoon. I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so much in the cinema. Nice one, Mousey
How about some comedy horror from the Basque Country?
During the 80s Troma released some excellent (as in terrible) low budget comedy horror, in particular ‘The Toxic Avenger’ series and ‘Class of Nuke ‘Em High’. These films were often the ultimate late night, post pub/club staples at Uni. There was always a bit of excited anticipation before visiting the 24 hour garage down the road from our digs in the early hours of Saturday morning on our way back from the student disco to see what particularly lo-fi video delights had been released that week.
Horror has been a great genre for channelling satire down the years, most recently with ‘Get Out!’ George A Romero famously used zombies as a metaphor for mindless consumerism by setting ‘Dawn of The Dead’ in a shopping mall. Dan O’Bannon’s ‘Return of The Living Dead’ was plain funny as well as satirical.
Of the more recent comedy-horror releases I absolutely love ‘Zombieland’ and TV -wise I’d put ‘The League of Gentlemen’ down as one of the greats.
https://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_stuff_wild_80s_cult_film_about_homicidal_yogurt?fbclid=IwAR0BbXm7n3nnvqPdzGbGiqSqWHb85sYX7Ay4hwk_utS0vvSBN7QI90KnN5U
If there is Rentaghost then there is this: