Even this culchie is wide to the ol’ Five Lamps, Bamber. Not a great fan of boss or horse either but I’m cool if addressed by Travellers in that way because those cats can PUNCH!*
*I may have attended one or two al fresco hash-settlement conferences in my time but strictly in an ethnographic capacity.
I usually think it’s a sign of a lack of social skills. I usually encounter it at places like Screwfix and Toolstation where it stands out because otherwise their customer service is uniformly exemplary. I just think it sounds odd.
I agree totally. You asked, I answered, I may make an instant (and probably wrong) assessment but I try to keep my thoughts to myself when I deal with people and treat everyone the same so, unless someone was swearing at me, it wouldn’t make any difference how they addressed me.
Here’s my suitably informal response: “Bro” seems to be used by jock cunts. It is usually followed by something like, “Will you help me get off this rape charge?”
Just to back up what Mousey says, yes, Bro is everywhere here in NZ and it’s OK – but it would be weird if I said it.
Not a fan of “buddy”. It’s all right if it’s a cheerful person adding to your life with a mutually beneficial transaction – e.g. buying a coffee. But not appropriate as a form of greeting at work or where someone is trying to sell something.
I know he does a well selling line of undies, and an Aftershave that makes Mrs D a bit woozy – didn’t know he did beer as well.
A Right Posh Brew
(brewed in Peterborough – goes well with Cheesy Peas)
When my mum and dad got married 60 years ago they had Blue Nun as the main tipple. I got hold of a bottle to celebrate the occasion this year and guess what………yuk.
Oh, you know the usual things. that people do everywhere, they just don’t call people “mate”. Buddy” is more likely but mainly used with people who are actual buddies.
In Wales we use “butt”, which wouldn’t go over well here.
“Pal” or “friend” is usually used by people who intend to imminently rearrange your kidneys for pleasure and/or profit.
I once sat on a train near a man who addressed his travelling companion as “chief” with literally every utterance. I turned expecting a senior Arapaho tribesman resplendent in ceremonial colours: I faced an unshaven guttersnipe in a ragged tracksuit.
I got set up pretty badly by some guys I was working with once at Heathrow when they were extending Terminal 3 to accomodate more and larger aircraft and I was working there as an electrician. Just as I reached the foot of a staircase into the actual building, and was surrounded by burly Irish ground workers, preparing the foot of the stairs area for being paved, a workmate yelled out “Oi! Cu*t!!” and ducked out of sight, leaving me completely exposed. Not even Usain Bolt could have run up those stairs quicker.
Being called “mate”, “bud”, “fella” etc. makes me instantly at least a bit distrustful of the utterer of the word. Until proven otherwise.
From Sir Norbert Smith – Harry Enfield has arguably never bettered it. Has gone down in legend for supplying the language with the expression “It’s Grim Up North”
Several lines from that programme appear to be lodged in my every day vocab.
The ‘Mr. Cholmondley-Warner’-type sketches in his various sketches were usually the best bits, and they look like they were great fun for all involved, especially the effects guys. ‘Liverpool playing in black-and-white’.
I’ve been recommending this to people for years, as it’s on youtube, but it finally got a DVD release a few months ago. My favourite bits are the first appearance of the young Michael Caine and, especially, Will Silly, the Will Hay parody. Peter Goodwright’s Will Hay is perfect. The problem now is that, in checking how to spell his surname I have happened upon an old episode of Who Do You Do on youtube, so that’s at least the next half an hour gone!
Mate Mucker Marrer Happy with all of them, so long as they are not uttered by someone clearly trying to be ‘down with the kids/hoipolloi’; you can spot a William Hague baseball cap moment a mile off.
But I loathe being addressed as ‘Sir’. I am all on favour of respect for the working man, but when I am at the checkout at Booths, head-to-toe in hi-viz, putting my cycle clips on, it seems excessive when they squeeze multiple Sirs into one transaction.
Getting called sir still feels weird, because it either means you’re so ancient you have some kind of venerable quality just for being alive, or you’re not and the person is taking the piss. I’m not comfortable with either of those possibilities.
Being called sir really fucking irritates me.It’s usually on unwanted and unsolicited phone calls trying to sell me something. The use of the term sir even when trying to sell me something I might like is enough to end the call ubruptly.
It’s at the end of one of the Previous Record or Another Record sides, and leads into the playout grooves, so that it repeats endlessly until the stylus is lifted off.
I got called “Sir” the other week. An easy mistake as I was bundled up against the cold, and knelt on the ground, head down, going through a box of records, so the “They’re all a pound each, Sir” was technically addressed to the top of my woolly hat. I looked up, gave him the patented winning Mini Smile and said thanks. Poor guy was mortified and apologised three times.
Older readers may remember that for a while a notorious record company owner turned airline magnate had a side line in prophylactics. For some reason his usual branding was not chosen for the actual products.
Around that time a colleague started using ‘mate’ far too frequently (even allowing that limited use might be acceptable).
One Sunday morning, when we were implementing an enhancement to an IT system, designed by Mr over-matey, one person involved finally queried this.
A third party advised: “Well X, apparently Tim thinks that you’re a condom.”
In Australia there are multiple meanings for mate depending on what tone is used.
Long, draw out maaaate = matey. Abrupt, accusative tone = Oi!
Someone on the ABC equated it to the four tones of Mandarin: https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/mate/8639232
I used to work for a big distribution firm in Essex, where every bloke was a “mate”, and every girl was “sweetheart” or “darling”, without exception, from the top down, and it was a really positive, friendly environment, but it took me a while to get out of the habit when I moved on – when not everyone is doing it, it can definitely be taken the wrong way…
I tend to call everybody mate without thinking about it. Got me a telling off once when a client complained, as I hadn’t even realised I’d forgot to put the work filter on my greeting.
Here in Barnsley ‘pal’ seems to be the greeting of choice for people under 50, with ‘love’ or ‘flower’ still the preferred option for the older generation. I don’t like ‘pal’, as it only takes a slight change to the delivery for it to mean I’m about to punch your lights out. If you get called pal with a Yorkshire accent chances are you’re speaking to someone from Barnsley.
At art school, one of my lecturers addressed all males (staff or student) as “old chap” and all females (likewise) as “m’dear”….this was considered by all to be perfectly cromulent.
Mrs KFD found it very charming when we visited Manchester a few years back and all the ladies in the market addressed her as “darling” or “love”. You won’t that happening here, eh? @locust?
Our son addresses me as “cuz, blood or my g” which is a tad odd.
I don’t spend much time at Södermalm nowadays, but back in the 80s when I used to live and work there, some of the older locals would greet me with either “snäckan”, “raring” or “hjärtat” (after the obligatory “Tjeeenare” of course). . I suspect that it isn’t used much any more. The old school Söderkis has been replaced by the SoFo Hipster…I’ve no idea how they greet each other! “Bror/brorsan” perhaps?
I got stopped by a police car many years ago coming home from a party at about three in the morning and called one of the officers “mate.”
Not something I normally do, it just kind of slipped out.
The answer I received was a very aggressive “I’m not your mate.”
OK, I thought (I didn’t say it) but if you think for one minute I’m going to be even slightly helpful in any enquiry you might have you are very much mistaken.
And I wasn’t.
My 8 year old lad has the habit of calling me dude, although in front of his mates it tends to be something related to fat or bald, when I don’t really consider myself either. I do encourage friendly cheekiness from him, so I’ve only myself to blame, but it’s a bit embarrassing when it’s across a shop or the school playground.
There was definitely a period where ‘love’, ‘mate’ and ‘darling’ were seen as a bit odd, but they seem to have sprung back into fashion. In quite a few Manchester bars, where the staff tend to be 18-24, I’ve been called ‘honey’, ‘hun’, ‘darling’, ‘lovey’, ‘chuck’ and ‘amazingly handsome muscle-bound master of bedroom-based tomfoolery’. Ok, I made one of those up… never been called ‘chuck’ by anyone.
Over there
It’s a little too over-familiar for me, but ‘mate’ is infinitely preferable to ‘buddy’ or ‘bud’ which is the favourite of skangers all over Ireland.
heh – as the kid brother said to me one day when I referred to somebody I acted in court for as a ‘skanger’
(a la The Major)
“Them’s isn’t skangers, them’s is clients…”
Bud is of course the Irish for penis. Always makes me laugh hearing the slogan “This Bud’s for you!”
@Ivan agus Bamber: Luigh mo mhagairlí, mar a déarfá!
@Neilo @Ivan … Do you know the Five Lamps?
…Boss or Horse are the other annoying Irish ones.
Even this culchie is wide to the ol’ Five Lamps, Bamber. Not a great fan of boss or horse either but I’m cool if addressed by Travellers in that way because those cats can PUNCH!*
*I may have attended one or two al fresco hash-settlement conferences in my time but strictly in an ethnographic capacity.
Better still – “Grab yourself a Buuuud!”
I’ve no opinion on this, darling.
Thanks mate, your opinion is noted.
I usually think it’s a sign of a lack of social skills. I usually encounter it at places like Screwfix and Toolstation where it stands out because otherwise their customer service is uniformly exemplary. I just think it sounds odd.
I only ever use it when I deal with trades people.
This clearly points me out as a socially immobile, miserable, Leave supporting, Lib Den Loving, Metrosexual NWOBHM loving pharmacist!
The point of the post is why describe people. based on a single view they have on life ..they are what they are!
I agree totally. You asked, I answered, I may make an instant (and probably wrong) assessment but I try to keep my thoughts to myself when I deal with people and treat everyone the same so, unless someone was swearing at me, it wouldn’t make any difference how they addressed me.
The repetition of the word “mate!” as a general expression of world-weariness was pioneered by Willium Cobblers…
https://youtu.be/SSU592V8WHs?t=80
I live in Essex, mate. I wouldn’t last a day, mate, if it bothered me in the least, mate. Cheers, mate.
Innit!
Doesn’t worry me one bit. I do, however, hate being called “Bud”.
What about “Bro” which seems to have gained traction recently.
Here’s my suitably informal response: “Bro” seems to be used by jock cunts. It is usually followed by something like, “Will you help me get off this rape charge?”
Bro?
No.
“Bro” is ubiquitous in New Zealand, started by Maori/Polynesians, I like it from them. Bit wanky when used by Pakeha (us white folks)
Fo shizzle, my nizzle!
Just to back up what Mousey says, yes, Bro is everywhere here in NZ and it’s OK – but it would be weird if I said it.
Not a fan of “buddy”. It’s all right if it’s a cheerful person adding to your life with a mutually beneficial transaction – e.g. buying a coffee. But not appropriate as a form of greeting at work or where someone is trying to sell something.
My Grandfather used “bud” a bit. Born in England, served in the Navy during the war, and met Americans in the Service. Sounded OK from him.
Yes, bud. Yuk.
Unless it’s the real deal from the Czech republic.
Becks is a much better brew IMHO.
I know he does a well selling line of undies, and an Aftershave that makes Mrs D a bit woozy – didn’t know he did beer as well.
A Right Posh Brew
(brewed in Peterborough – goes well with Cheesy Peas)
The perfect night out…Becks, Cheesy Peas as a snack and a conversation with a plasterer…Loadsafun!
Oh Uncle no.
Budvar yes, Becks no.
I always like the idea of Becks. And then discover once again that it doesn’t taste of anything.
Me and you both Moose. And they don’t drink it in Germany either…
It’s the Piat D’Or of beer.
(Mebbes too harsh)
Mebbes. Hirondelle? Black Tower?
….Asti Spumante…?
Mateus Rosè?
Actually, I like Mateus. A fiver for slightly fizzy alcoholic pop, yum.
And then you can use the battle as a proper classy candle-holder. Result, mate!
It’s the Domaine de la Romanée-Conti of beer. Probably.
Blue Nun!
When my mum and dad got married 60 years ago they had Blue Nun as the main tipple. I got hold of a bottle to celebrate the occasion this year and guess what………yuk.
It’s the Penfolds Grange of beer. Sort of.
I don’t like it, but nobody does it in Canada.
What does anyone do in Canada?
Oh, you know the usual things. that people do everywhere, they just don’t call people “mate”. Buddy” is more likely but mainly used with people who are actual buddies.
In Wales we use “butt”, which wouldn’t go over well here.
Why? Is it too cold?
Too cold to open our mouths and talk (until about mid April)
Preferable to being addressed as “Pal” or “My friend”
And much more preferable than being referred to as “Oi! w**ker”
“Pal” or “friend” is usually used by people who intend to imminently rearrange your kidneys for pleasure and/or profit.
I once sat on a train near a man who addressed his travelling companion as “chief” with literally every utterance. I turned expecting a senior Arapaho tribesman resplendent in ceremonial colours: I faced an unshaven guttersnipe in a ragged tracksuit.
Serves me right for using standard class.
I got set up pretty badly by some guys I was working with once at Heathrow when they were extending Terminal 3 to accomodate more and larger aircraft and I was working there as an electrician. Just as I reached the foot of a staircase into the actual building, and was surrounded by burly Irish ground workers, preparing the foot of the stairs area for being paved, a workmate yelled out “Oi! Cu*t!!” and ducked out of sight, leaving me completely exposed. Not even Usain Bolt could have run up those stairs quicker.
Being called “mate”, “bud”, “fella” etc. makes me instantly at least a bit distrustful of the utterer of the word. Until proven otherwise.
I don’t mind it at all.
I’ve started calling people ‘Buddy’. Which I’m not at all sure about, yet it keeps on popping out.
Matron.
Buddy?
Keep your hair on, daddio!
Excellent, not seen that before.
From Sir Norbert Smith – Harry Enfield has arguably never bettered it. Has gone down in legend for supplying the language with the expression “It’s Grim Up North”
Several lines from that programme appear to be lodged in my every day vocab.
The ‘Mr. Cholmondley-Warner’-type sketches in his various sketches were usually the best bits, and they look like they were great fun for all involved, especially the effects guys. ‘Liverpool playing in black-and-white’.
My grandad loved that… shows how long ago that was.
I’ve been recommending this to people for years, as it’s on youtube, but it finally got a DVD release a few months ago. My favourite bits are the first appearance of the young Michael Caine and, especially, Will Silly, the Will Hay parody. Peter Goodwright’s Will Hay is perfect. The problem now is that, in checking how to spell his surname I have happened upon an old episode of Who Do You Do on youtube, so that’s at least the next half an hour gone!
I’ll tek me bluddy belt off to yer!
“Any fabulous way…”
Try calling them Matron instead and see how that works.
Not a word I use often and find it uncomfortable even when it’s someone I know who uses it. See also Buddy and Dude.
I prefer to be called Sir by artisans.
Is ‘by’ short for barnaby?
Mate Mucker Marrer Happy with all of them, so long as they are not uttered by someone clearly trying to be ‘down with the kids/hoipolloi’; you can spot a William Hague baseball cap moment a mile off.
But I loathe being addressed as ‘Sir’. I am all on favour of respect for the working man, but when I am at the checkout at Booths, head-to-toe in hi-viz, putting my cycle clips on, it seems excessive when they squeeze multiple Sirs into one transaction.
I wouldn’t care; I turned down the knighthood.
Getting called sir still feels weird, because it either means you’re so ancient you have some kind of venerable quality just for being alive, or you’re not and the person is taking the piss. I’m not comfortable with either of those possibilities.
In my case it’s usually a sign that I’m being moved along.
or arrested
Being called sir really fucking irritates me.It’s usually on unwanted and unsolicited phone calls trying to sell me something. The use of the term sir even when trying to sell me something I might like is enough to end the call ubruptly.
If uneasy with “mate” on no account come to Australia.
I was laboriously scrolling down to say exactly that.
Still a bit uneasy about buddy though.
Strewth – “mateship” nearly made it into the constitution – and would have done if some bloody sheilas hadn’t whinged so much.
I use mate, always have, but often ironically and as a piss-take. Me and my mate used to have entire conversations using just the word mate.
But I dislike it when people I don’t know call me mate.
And yeah “buddy” – like all the other things appropriated from American culture like Halloween and Valentine’s Day, I fucking hate it.
Yeah, and rock n roll and jazz. Fucking America; coming over here and messing about with our culture.
At least “squire” has died a death. Fuck was that about?
Monty Python?…..sorry Squire, I scratched the record
I think you’re getting two sketches mixed up there squire…erm, mate…pal…oh, whatever!
No he isn’t.
*pythontragicmodeoff*
Really? I was thinking spiv in the pub and Hungarian phrasebook?
My nipples explode with delight!
It’s at the end of one of the Previous Record or Another Record sides, and leads into the playout grooves, so that it repeats endlessly until the stylus is lifted off.
(Of course, my memory could be failing me)
End of side one of Another Monty, the Piranha brothers sketch.
Michael Palin for one hated making those records – he found the studio environment sterile and the engineers totally unhelpful.
In West Yorkshire.
“How are you doing fella?”
Fuck off.
In Leeds in particular “How are you love” (male to male)
Fuck right off.
LOL
Don’t mind mate unless it’s said to me by a woman,mainly due to the fact I woman I couldn’t stand at work used to call me it all the time.
And to make matters worse she worked through an official strike.
She’s left now thank God!
I call children Mr if male and Sausage if not. When at work, I should add. (Not Mr and their name, more a Springsteeny Hey, Mister etc etc.)
I swear by Duck. Pronounced ‘Dook’ and ideally with a ‘me-‘ on the front. It’s utilitarian yet casually disarming.
I live in the debateable lands, on the very marches of ‘eh up, me duck’ territory. Always catches out the tourists.
I got called “Sir” the other week. An easy mistake as I was bundled up against the cold, and knelt on the ground, head down, going through a box of records, so the “They’re all a pound each, Sir” was technically addressed to the top of my woolly hat. I looked up, gave him the patented winning Mini Smile and said thanks. Poor guy was mortified and apologised three times.
Didn’t give me a discount though, the bastard.
That’s funny, I get called madam all the time. Must stop wiggling so much.
Must be the tits Moose.
People shouldn’t be looking – spangly boob tube or not.
For that image, you’re welcome.
Older readers may remember that for a while a notorious record company owner turned airline magnate had a side line in prophylactics. For some reason his usual branding was not chosen for the actual products.
Around that time a colleague started using ‘mate’ far too frequently (even allowing that limited use might be acceptable).
One Sunday morning, when we were implementing an enhancement to an IT system, designed by Mr over-matey, one person involved finally queried this.
A third party advised: “Well X, apparently Tim thinks that you’re a condom.”
Usage of ‘mate’ declined forthwith.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mates_condoms
….or a bubble-bath.
In Australia there are multiple meanings for mate depending on what tone is used.
Long, draw out maaaate = matey. Abrupt, accusative tone = Oi!
Someone on the ABC equated it to the four tones of Mandarin:
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/mate/8639232
As always, context is everything.
I used to work for a big distribution firm in Essex, where every bloke was a “mate”, and every girl was “sweetheart” or “darling”, without exception, from the top down, and it was a really positive, friendly environment, but it took me a while to get out of the habit when I moved on – when not everyone is doing it, it can definitely be taken the wrong way…
I tend to call everybody mate without thinking about it. Got me a telling off once when a client complained, as I hadn’t even realised I’d forgot to put the work filter on my greeting.
Here in Barnsley ‘pal’ seems to be the greeting of choice for people under 50, with ‘love’ or ‘flower’ still the preferred option for the older generation. I don’t like ‘pal’, as it only takes a slight change to the delivery for it to mean I’m about to punch your lights out. If you get called pal with a Yorkshire accent chances are you’re speaking to someone from Barnsley.
Pal is strong in Hull too but I think is quite archaic. Bud seems to be more popular among the younger set.
“Bud” in Hull? I’m struggling. A reminder that I’ve been gone a very long time.
I use ‘mate’ a lot, to be fair. I’m not gonna lie.
I can’t believe we’re this far down the thread without anybody asserting that the correct form of address is a querulous “maaan!”
At art school, one of my lecturers addressed all males (staff or student) as “old chap” and all females (likewise) as “m’dear”….this was considered by all to be perfectly cromulent.
Sounds feculant to me. And possibly cormorant.
Add anaspectic and frasmodic.
Not to say frumious.
Mrs KFD found it very charming when we visited Manchester a few years back and all the ladies in the market addressed her as “darling” or “love”. You won’t that happening here, eh? @locust?
Our son addresses me as “cuz, blood or my g” which is a tad odd.
Kaisfatblood! Like it.
I understood that it is customary for an Englishman abroad to be addressed as “bwana”.
I don’t spend much time at Södermalm nowadays, but back in the 80s when I used to live and work there, some of the older locals would greet me with either “snäckan”, “raring” or “hjärtat” (after the obligatory “Tjeeenare” of course). . I suspect that it isn’t used much any more. The old school Söderkis has been replaced by the SoFo Hipster…I’ve no idea how they greet each other! “Bror/brorsan” perhaps?
Thankyou, Hjartat. That was a treat to read.
I arrived late 80s so never really experienced much of that pre yuppy Soder.
I think you are right about, Bror. Kai also sometimes calls people Boss or Bossman.
Non Swedes sometimes address me as “kompis” (friend). Which sounds odd too,
I got stopped by a police car many years ago coming home from a party at about three in the morning and called one of the officers “mate.”
Not something I normally do, it just kind of slipped out.
The answer I received was a very aggressive “I’m not your mate.”
OK, I thought (I didn’t say it) but if you think for one minute I’m going to be even slightly helpful in any enquiry you might have you are very much mistaken.
And I wasn’t.
The correct form of address for a policeman who stops you in the middle of the night is of course “ossiffer”.
‘I haven’t had a c*nt all night, drinkstable…’
I inshist on a blood tesht, oshifer.
That usually puts them off.
My 8 year old lad has the habit of calling me dude, although in front of his mates it tends to be something related to fat or bald, when I don’t really consider myself either. I do encourage friendly cheekiness from him, so I’ve only myself to blame, but it’s a bit embarrassing when it’s across a shop or the school playground.
How do you feel when someone you have never met calls you “dear boy”?
Like I never knew what I had found.
Haven’t read all that shit above, but just wanted to get you to the ton.
Awright son?
Pronounced “SAN!”a la The Bill.
There was definitely a period where ‘love’, ‘mate’ and ‘darling’ were seen as a bit odd, but they seem to have sprung back into fashion. In quite a few Manchester bars, where the staff tend to be 18-24, I’ve been called ‘honey’, ‘hun’, ‘darling’, ‘lovey’, ‘chuck’ and ‘amazingly handsome muscle-bound master of bedroom-based tomfoolery’. Ok, I made one of those up… never been called ‘chuck’ by anyone.
Arf!
I have an actress friend who calls everyone “doll”
She even uses it on herself as in calling you on the phone “hi doll, it’s doll…”
SO theatrical darlink…
Bona, heart-face!