There’s something wrong with my clothes dryer. I need to pull it out and see what’s occurrin’ round the back.
Trouble is that it’s very snugly in its hole and under normal circumstances I’d pull it out. However, we cleverly slotted a stray square bit of flat MDF wood on the top of it. This means there is liderally no wriggle room now. It’s stuck fast. I can only get a grip of one edge of the MDF and even if I do, it only moves a little bit.
If I can get the MDF out, I think it’ll be all smiles. But…what should I do? Do I drill holes into the edge of the MDF and hammer nails in it, so I have something more to hold on to?
Or … do I staple gun some cable ties to it and then pull it out? I like this idea because it means I get to use the staple gun. But it sounds dangerous.
I can’t help thinking that the more practical-minded members of the Massive might have a simpler solution. So do you?
Junior Wells says
I think we need photos. Dryers typically sit on a bracket with slots in the top corners of the dryer.
You get it on / off by lifting out and up.
This is a long way of saying you need to remove anything on top preventing you from doing this.
Black Celebration says
Thanks for responding. It is a standalone i.e. unbracketed and unvented condenser dryer. Has been great for many years but now seems to be leaking at the back.
Junior Wells says
Ok. Re reading your OP. I would attach some long screws or even better hooks. Either side and in the middle , that way you can shimmy from side to side to work it out.
H.P. Saucecraft says
I don’t think Mr. Celebration needs to shimmy rom side to side, Junes. At his age it could cause complications.
I’d suggest fixing a couple of stout shed door-type handles to the edge of the MDF, with as you say a nice long screw. That would give you something to hang on to. Plus squirt some WD40 in there – can’t hurt.
Junior Wells says
I think a shimmy is just what us needed.
I recommend some James Brown to get those hips and wrists moving. Maybe The Payback or Get On Up.
Jaygee says
I’d call an electrician or handyman as my inept attempts at saving a few bob by
fixing things myself invariably end as expensive disasters
Gatz says
My experience too. Hilaire Belloc springs to mind.
Uncle Wheaty says
I agree get a man/woman in who know what they are going.
Rigid Digit says
This … get them in soonest, as any attempts by me to fix a problem often results in increased remedial work for the “bloke who knows how to do stuff”
fentonsteve says
I would drill a couple of holes in the edge of the MDF, put screws in them, and use a crow bar to drag it out.
MDF has no ‘give’, so drilling the correct sized hole is paramount. Too small and the screws will force the MDF to expand (and wedge in under even greater pressure). Too big and the screw threads will not engage.
Failing that, drill lots of holes in the edge of the MDF and use a hammer and sharp chisel to break it up.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Apart from the crow bar – what are you, insane? – this is sound advice.
fentonsteve says
I mean “use the nail-puller slot of the crow bar to apply pressure on the screws and extract the MDF”. Not “use the crow bar to lever out the dryer, thus wrecking it in the process”.
H.P. Saucecraft says
A crowbar is a lever, requiring a fulcrum, which cannot be the object you’re trying to shift. What are you going to use as a fulcrum? The edge of the work surface? The dryer itself? Lots of luck with that. Also – the crow bar does not pull straight out, and will bend the screws, fracturing the MDF.
Cuphooks And Crowbars – should the Afterword ever rename itself, that would be perfect. And I think “have you tried a crow bar?” may enter the ‘Word phrasebook, at least if I have anything to do with it.
Mike_H says
DO NOT use a hammer to either bang nails/screws into the edge of the MDF or try and break it up in situ. Chances are you’ll make things worse by wedging the MDF further back where it’ll be harder to get it out.
Use an electric screwdriver to put screws into the edge and pull it out using these.
Quite possibly the rubber feet on the dryer will have stuck to the floor a bit, due to it not having moved for a long time. After you’ve got that pesky bit of MDF* out, wedge something under the front edge of the dryer and lever it upwards slightly to break the seal.
Don’t try to pull it out by it’s door or you might damage the hinges and render it useless.
*Why on earth…
Black Celebration says
*we don’t remember why it’s there. My feeling is that it should have been the surface the dryer itself rests on. However, it looks like the dryer was slotted in and then, at some point, we thought – “what’s this bit of MDF doing here?” And then saw that it slotted nicely into the gap between the top of the dryer and the fixed cabinet above it. Stupid? Oh yes.
Twang says
My tradesman bloke showed me you open the door (assuming it’s a front loader) and get a grip on the top of the hole and pull from there. None of this trying to grip the sides business. Once out, you squirt a bit of washing up liquid on the floor to make it easier next time.
H.P. Saucecraft says
“Get a grip on the top of the hole … once out, squirt …”
Doing Moosey’s work here.
Black Celebration says
Thanks Twang – the tricky bit is that the MDF has effectively wedged the whole unit in, so there is absolutely no give.
Keef says
take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
yorkio says
Cup hooks. Screw them in to the edge of the MDF, and then you’ve got something to grip on while having a tug.
Black Celebration says
Somewhere in Hull, an antler twitches…
Thanks by the way – someone else also mentioned hooks. I have some of those.
Junior Wells says
Got to , as Fenton advised, go in a fair way to ensure you can pull without the mdf crumbling.
I think that is a higher risk than the larger screw and/ or undersized drill hole causing added expansion.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Cup hooks? CUP HOOKS??? Since when has anyone got a good grip and pulled anything of any weight on CUP HOOKS? I said it once and I’ll say it again: DOOR HANDLES. Not knobs or hooks but HANDLES. Not four candles but DOOR HANDLES, the plain metal type you screw in top and bottom. Big long screws, drilled first. Both hands …
hubert rawlinson says
It’s SKYHOOKS you need.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Skyhooks would certainly answer better than cup hooks. Honestly. You guys. It’s like you have zero experience with cup hooks (with their piddly little screws liable to shear off if turned too tight), or crowbars, or anything, really. No wonder your country is in such a state. Cuh.
Junior Wells says
Skyhooks? Someone say Skyhooks one of the biggest pop rock bands in Oz in the seventies?
Black Celebration says
Leo Sayer moonlighting in Oz? Good song.
Leedsboy says
He goes when they need him.
retropath2 says
I read that as “my hole”. Thus, yours.
Leedsboy says
Move? Or plant some cress seed at the back?
Failing that, either try to lever up the worktop surface (assuming that). Do you have a plunger or suction cup that could do that?
Or gorilla glue something grabbable to the mdf. Let it set and then give it a firm and persistent tug. This would be Moosey’s suggestion as well.
hubert rawlinson says
Use a couple of skyhooks hammered in with a glass hammer then slowly prise out with a left-handed screwdriver.
Doctor Whom says
You could use the superglue/masking tape trick as described by the smart chap at crimson guitars:
Black Celebration says
I watched all of that and feel sure that the tip is something that may come in handy one day. But aside from all that – his tattooed head is a wonderful thing. For those of us that still grow hair up there, this is an option if I was ever going to get tattooed. Apparently if it’s done on the head it doesn’t hurt as much. Another bonus.
H.P. Saucecraft says
We’re all assuming the dryer doesn’t have height-adjustable feet, right? Or that said feet are already at minimum extension?
Jaygee says
Surely it is not beyond the wit of the numerous Brian Butterworths in
SaucecrafTel’s R&D dept. to fashion an ingenious end* to BC’s washday
misery?
*Batteries not included
Black Celebration says
Great news! It’s all sorted out.
Saucy will be relieved to hear that there were no cup hooks needed. I drilled a small hole in the centre of MDF edge and found a longish nail in my shed. I banged it in with a hammer. And then I grabbed the nail and pulled and wiggled and pulled and wiggled and then out it came – like the difficult birth of a hard, flat, square MDF baby.
Thanks for your assistance everyone. Isn’t music great?
H.P. Saucecraft says
I think – and I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking this – that you owe the Afternet an apology. All those that sought to offer advice (the erotic dance urged by Junes, several cup hook fetishists, and an unusually violent and ill-thought-out solution from fentypants) did so in the spirit of friendly concern and a genuine wish to help a chap out. That you didn’t try such a simple solution (the first that came to my mind as to many others, dismissed because of its obviousness) before wasting everybody’s valuable time and emotional investment – it’s been quite the roller coaster – comes as a slap in the face to us all and frankly diminishes the chances of further appeals for help to zero.
But kudos for enabling some wit here – not I – to chime in with a “nailed it!” response.
Black Celebration says
You know those dumb catch-all phrases that people say as if it is accepted universal wisdom…? One of them is “Never apologise, never explain”. Well I spend half my life apologising and the other half explaining. That’s because I’m British and that’s what we live for.
So, in that spirit, I apologise for not following the very sound advice given. I did have cup hooks at the ready, though. And whoever it was that told me to drill a very small hole influenced me too.
Junior Wells says
That sounds like the shimmy was a decisive factor
Black Celebration says
It’s a swinger all right! I love how it gets kind of ghostly towards the end.
There was a 90s indie band called Bis whose (one) hit single was clearly based on this. So that’s something new I have learned today.
fentonsteve says
In other domestic white goods news, I got a new washing machine on Thursday.
It is both WiFi enabled (there’s an app) and it plays a plinky-plonky tune when it finishes its cycle. If anyone can explain to me why, I’m all ears.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Does your crowbar have an app, fenty?
Lodestone of Wrongness says
I’ve got a WiFi enabled dishwasher. I haven’t quite worked out what do when I’m out and about and think “Bugger, didn’t turn on the dishwasher: I’ll just ask it to find a dishwater tab in the box underneath the sink, insert it into the proper dispenser, close its door, set the Controls to Economy and , by the way, forgot to hang out the washing too – any chance?”
fentonsteve says
Quite. I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do when notified by the app that the washing cycle is complete. Pass the message on to one’s domestic staff, presumably.
dai says
Empty it
fentonsteve says
Spoken like an Engineer!
I often put a load in the washing machine (in the house) before I go to work (in the garage), but I usually just wait until lunchtime before I hang it out to dry. I’m not sure knowing it finished at (say) 11am is going to make my plans change.
dai says
I need to put mine in the dryer and getting 2 loads fully done in an evening before bed can be a challenge. However mine doesn’t have this feature so I have to wander to my laundry room around finishing time. Sometimes the last “3 minutes” according to the display takes 20!
fentonsteve says
My previous one (a Bosch) had that fuzzy logic thing, too. I think it did some calculation based on load weight. I think it also had a proximity sensor that could tell when I wanted it to finish quickly, and so added 15 minutes just to annoy me.
MC Escher says
But you should be getting up every hour and stretching or just walking about. That’s probably the reason. If you think about it. Just a tiny bit. It’s trying to help you. and here you are, moaning about it. I mean, really.
fentonsteve says
That’s what tea-breaks are for, surely?
Jaygee says
@Dai
Take it out of the box?
Locust says
That plinky-plonky tune is by Franz Schubert.
fentonsteve says
I bet he’d feel so proud, were he alive today, to have it performed by a domestic appliance.
Locust says
Hey, if computer game music can be performed by symphony orchestras, why couldn’t classical music be performed by an armada of domestic appliances?
I’d hate to be the conductor though…getting them to finish washing at the same time to synchronize the plinky-plonky tunes! Could it be done?
The audience would probably get more satisfaction from placing bets on the outcome than to actually listening to the cacophony – replacing horse racing no doubt.
fentonsteve says
Aaarrgggghhhhhhhhh! I’m going to hide in a soundproof bunker.
Black Celebration says
Fisher and Paykel appliances in NZ can play the national anthem! It’s a real pain because I don’t usually have a lot of time to sort out my laundry so having to stand to attention and salute for 60 seconds is a right pain the arse.
mikethep says
But it’s not white! How can it be white goods? I’d send it back.
fentonsteve says
That’s not actually mine, it is white with a black door surround. But the tune is the same.
And, I found out yesterday when I went to register the five-year warranty, the serial number label is stuck to the back. So I had to drag the bloody thing out of its hole.
Uncle Wheaty says
Is this the most interesting/educational Word thread ever?
H.P. Saucecraft says
I feel short-changed. Anyone else want to know what the situation was when the dryer was extracted from its hole? I feel like the saga has only just begun. Stopping here would be like stopping Lord Of The Rings just after Bilbo’s party.
Black Celebration says
It all started when my wife noticed that the carpet was getting a bit damp at the other side of the hole where the dryer is – and also we noticed that the condenser wasn’t collecting as much moisture as it used to in the early days. I put this down to the age of the machine and wondered if we could just replace the thing. We thought the best thing to do was to take it out of the hole and investigate around the back to see if that moisture was indeed coming from the dryer or was it some plumbing from some other part of the house, so this is where the story began with the somewhat routine procedure of simply pulling out the dryer.
Now, in my experience dryers are somewhat lighter than washing machines so I really thought that this would be a two minute job just to pull it out and see what was going on, but then the situation developed as described in the OP started to unfold. I saw that the MDF on top was a bit of a problem. Now let’s fast forward to the yanking out of the MDF. It then became a little easier to get the dryer out, but as I said in one of my posts that wasn’t routine either. Looking around the back, it didn’t seem that the dryer itself was malfunctioning or even leaking that much. Yes, there were a couple of leaks when we tried the dryer and we made it run outside of the hole, but not enough to cause moisture in the carpet in a neighboring room. We wondered whether that kind of thing happened when the kids put multiple loads through one after the other, and after a punishing weekend, the cumulative affect of several small dribbles from the back of the dryer meant a damp carpet in a very small area. What we have now is a dryer half in /half out and what we’re finding is that the last couple of loads have gone quite well with the condenser filling quite nicely and it was a bit like the old days – and no drip coming out the back. What I put this down to is that the MDF that was on top of the machine is now on the ground and under the machine – where it was always meant to be. It creates a level surface for the machine to operate on, which means if there is a small dribble of moisture coming out the back it’s not drifting over to the wall and not seeping through the carpet on the other side due to a small slope on the concrete base. I honestly think that the amount of moisture that would come from the dryer through one load is so small that it would evaporate overnight and it only becomes a problem when the teenagers put through multiple loads one after the other, so that’s where we are at the moment. We’ve got the dryer half half out and it seems to be working better than ever before so if we continue to be happy with this, then I will insert it fully back into its hole knowing that now it is broadly level with the floor thanks to the MDF, and the leak is either negligible or not occurring at all. I do hope you’ve enjoyed this update. I will give you more details as and when they come to light but at the moment, I’m not thinking that you would be incredibly interested by that.
The MDF is now nail-less and back under the machine. If you think I’m going to pull it out again just to take a photo of it, I’m afraid I’m going to disappoint.
H.P. Saucecraft says
I find this far more engrossing than Lists Of Concerts I Have Been To, or The Ten Greatest Van Springsteen Albums, quite honestly. Thank you.
fentonsteve says
Firstly, if you find the cumulative affect of several small dribbles from the back mean a damp patch in a very small area, I can recommend a gastroenterologist.
Secondly, I really don’t think putting the MDF underneath is a good idea. If MDF gets wet it becomes swollen and it is likely to raise the level to the point where the dryer becomes wedged underneath the worktop. I’d replace it with a sheet of similarly-sized Marine Ply which, as the name suggests, is waterproof.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Simply lever the Marine Ply into place with your crowbar, hammer in some cup hooks at random intervals, et viola!
I’d of thought that sliding a shallow baking tray (attached to a string or something, for convenient removal) under the leak area is clearly the best solution, allowing for regular check-ups.
Junior Wells says
Well thank you for the update, though the absence of photos is a bitter blow … after all our effort… but no I’m better than that. As a general rule any white good , whatever the function, likes a bit of air circulating. So my recommendation is just leave it half out. Preferably blocking the doorway and the hall way. . Mrs Celebration may not like it but there will be heaps of air circulation.
H.P. Saucecraft says
You might even “knock through” the wall behind (that crowbar proving a sound investment!) enabling healthy air circulation not only in the kitchen, but the entire house!
Black Celebration says
“Interestingly” you won’t find a washing machine or dryer anywhere near a kitchen in a NZ house. It’s in a special utility room downstairs.
There are two other things Kiwis consider strange about us Brits – plastic bowls in kitchen sinks and separate hot & cold taps.
fentonsteve says
I once saw a YT video of a woman who had a washing machine and tumble drier fitted in her first-floor family bathroom, using the logic that all the dirty washing comes from the laundry baskets in the bedrooms.
Leaving apart the logisitics of getting a heavy washing machine upstairs and straddling secure joists, there will probably be a follow-up video by now, of the downstairs ceiling being replastered after the washing machine upstairs sprung a leak.
mikethep says
Aussie wives also think plastic bowls in kitchen sinks are weird – when I proudly showed Mrs thep my collapsible bowl she laughed at me.
Junior Wells says
Yep I’d laugh too. Why do you need a bowl in a sink when, after all , you have a sink?
Gary says
I don’t know how it works in the land of Australia, but at my house I don’t have plugs in the sink. I have a round wire thingy that traps any food particles or gunge in a Gandalfian fashion, only allowing liquid to pass. I far prefer this system to having a proper plug, as a plug once pulled allows all manner of leftover fish and fowl to shoot down the sink, thus encouraging insects (or worse!) to colonise the area. HOWEVER, I am a great believer in leaving things to soak. I can’t be arsed to learn how to use a dishwasher and my preferred method of washing up is to rinse everything under a running tap, then leave it all to soak in cold soapy water for anything between 30 minutes and 15 hours, then clean with hot water and apposite sponge. For this procedure, which I consider to be a flawless combination of ease and efficiency, I use my sink (with no proper plug, remember) for the rinsing bit and a bowl for the soaking bit (and then either for the final cleaning bit). And that is why I need a bowl despite having a sink.
Edit: I should add that I have two sinks, side by side, one with a bowl, one without.
H.P. Saucecraft says
At last, the voice of sanity.
fentonsteve says
If you’re rinsing under a running tap, I’m guessing you don’t have a water meter or regular drowts – er, drouts – draughts – erm, hosepipe bans each summer.
Surely with the beach just across the road, you could just leave the dirty plates for a soak in the water? The waves would probably clean them. Dinner might taste a bit salty, though.
hubert rawlinson says
Or you could try bashing them against rocks.
H.P. Saucecraft says
It’s mostly corpses that wash up on Gary’s beach.
swidt
mikethep says
@junior-wells because you use way less water, thus saving the planet or something. Also it’s a lot less hassle cleaning a bowl when you’ve been soaking stuff Gary-style than cleaning the sink. I should add that this was in Blighty…here’s in God’s own country we have two enormous side-by-side sinks you could bath a toddler in and no washing-up bowl.
I’m not alone. even in Oz: https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0BVK9TP4T/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0BVK9TP4T&pd_rd_w=j8ssH&content-id=amzn1.sym.1466049c-a1d9-4b3d-b57f-ad4194b25db8&pf_rd_p=1466049c-a1d9-4b3d-b57f-ad4194b25db8&pf_rd_r=G2ZH7CNJ7AQ6YFJ3SVYJ&pd_rd_wg=SRzpk&pd_rd_r=46aaaa1a-d341-46d4-9016-8a7c67516951&s=home&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWw#customerReviews
“Exactly what I wanted.” – an Australian
dai says
Yes same here. I am in an upside down house with bedrooms on the lower level together with utility room.
Have resisted posting my travails but both appliances have been recently replaced and then I was getting water all over the floor. Got a guy in under warranty, who refixed the drainage hose that had come loose. Seller then wanted me to pay for the service as that wasn’t included in the warranty, I explained that it could not have been fitted properly as it had come apart within a couple of months where as the previous one stayed on for 8 years. He insisted on payment and I just ignored him and he has appeared to have gone away. Also the technician who came said he didn’t like the way they were just plonked on top of each other (dryer on top) without any brackets holding them in place. I explained it was his guys that had installed it!
Junior Wells says
You needed a repairman to retighten the hose attachments to the taps?
dai says
It’s all about access, I couldn’t see what was going on and couldn’t move it on my own
Mike_H says
Don’t knock that wall through if you live in Middlesbrough, or someone will pull it out the other side and nick it. Along with anything else in your house that’s not chained down.
H.P. Saucecraft says
You might see Moosey leering at you as he loads it into the white Transit.
Mike_H says
Is this why Moosey has “gone dark”?
Has he “gone to the dark side*”?
*That’d be a black Transit with tinted glass, then.
Junior Wells says
Indeed. I want a picture of the hole hurr hurr, the MDF avec nail and the said dryer.
H.P. Saucecraft says
In Thailand, at least nearly all of it, the idea of a dryer is frankly larffable. As is heating your home, and car heaters. We have a giant glowing orb to do all that.
fentonsteve says
Update: I’ve had my new washing machine for a week and done probably four loads. Today I found a clump of – there’s no easy way to say this – pubes, in the rubber seal round the door. I’m fairly sure they’re not mine. Did I miss the short ‘n’ curlies dispenser feature?
To be fair, I haven’t read the whole user manual.
Junior Wells says
*pushes breakfast to one side*
H.P. Saucecraft says
What a shame that fentypants drags this wholesome and educational post into the unmentionables zone. Can the mods not intervene before someone mentions “bikini wax”?
Freddy Steady says
Do you have a dog or a cat @fentonsteve?
Not saying it’s pet pubes, possibly just pet hair which attaches to everything.
fentonsteve says
Maybe. We do have a rag-doll (long-hair) cat but the fur is much less pube-y.
I bought a load of second-hand 7″ singles the last time I went to Cromer and, after I’d cleaned them in the Knosti Disco Antistat, the sludge in the bottom of the bath thingy included what looked suspiciously like pubes.
Junior Wells says
I have heard that some records are good to have sex too , but with? That sounds postively Hoffmanite.
fentonsteve says
Oh lawd, some of them had the puched out middle. I thought they were DJ or jukebox copies, but perhaps they might have had something else through the hole.
Lodestone of Wrongness says
This is certainly the most entertaining AW thread ever. Thank you one and all
H.P. Saucecraft says
Fuck off!
Black Celebration says
Now that the thread has degenerated into abuse, I thought I would add a detail that I failed to mention earlier.
A few years ago I reluctantly bought a hand trolley and thought I’d hardly ever use it. How wrong I was! I use it quite often. Most recently, I slotted the flat bit that sticks out at the front under the dryer and jiggled it about a bit. This allowed me to get the dryer out more easily.
They’re good for moving hampers around too!
H.P. Saucecraft says
Great news for stuck dryer sufferers!
fentonsteve says
I finally acquired one of those folding sack-barrows after years of coveting one. It is very handy – folds flat in the car boot, etc, but has a 60kg limit.
I tried it under the old washing machine but feared it would snap, so resorted to dragging the washer across the utility room floor and outside ready for the arrival of the replacement.
The men who delivered the new machine were built like brick sh*thouses and carried it inside.
Junior Wells says
Sack- barrow ????
Black Celebration says
That was my thought too, but a google images search reveals that this is another name for a hand trolley.
fentonsteve says
Here’s mine – I got a previous employer to buy one for the office in 2006/7. When they went bust following the October 2008 crash, in early 2009, the six employees (who were not going to be paid) emptied the office on a Sunday before the Auditors came to do a stock-take on Monday (they didn’t find much of value).
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/sack-trucks/7846024?searchId=be496526-244b-4796-94fb-9c5273535a99&gb=s
It’s brill unless there’s no weight on it, then the springs retract the wheels and flappy bit, and I have to carry it.
Junior Wells says
Got one , as you say , good for light stuff. A tumble dryer maybe if positioned correctly but unlikely.
These are cheap down here and proper steel.
https://www.bunnings.com.au/saxon-250kg-capacity-p-handle-trolley-with-pneumatic-tyres_p0336004
Freddy Steady says
It’s a sack truck!
fentonsteve says
Is there any other inanimate object with so many different names?
Someone should start a thread.
hubert rawlinson says
It doesn’t need a thread (it’s not a left-handed wheelbarrow valve) but it could do with a Linnaean binomial classification.
hubert rawlinson says
It was always a sack cart when I had to avail myself of one.
retropath2 says
Just the job for quarts of sack and butts of malmsey.
fentonsteve says
See also: porter trolley, apparently, although I always consider those to be the flat-bottomed a-wheel-in-each-corner jobbies.
Rigid Digit says
Which is different again to a Porta Potty. They have something to do with jobbies too
hubert rawlinson says
As do Gong Farmers.
Junior Wells says
Now for the sequel , how do I fit this hamper into its hole?
Mike_H says
[sharp tradesman’s intake of breath – fires up calculator app on phone]