Musings on the byways of popular culture
18/05/2021 by Mrbellows 53 Comments
18/05/2021 at 03:43
My better half was curious so I set the whole thing up for her. She did the 23 and me. Came back with a large Neanderthal beckoning. Now she’s defending anything that comes up disparaging the Neanderthals! 😆
18/05/2021 at 05:08
Yes. Mostly North European with an exciting smattering of North African.
18/05/2021 at 05:15
Moose the Mooche says
18/05/2021 at 16:03
That will explain the culottes.
18/05/2021 at 05:33
Funnily enough my ex just did it and seems to have found a huge, wide ranging scandal.
18/05/2021 at 05:46
Scandal? How so?
18/05/2021 at 12:08
Well without going into details the results were a big shock and it appears that close relatives are not what they seem.
18/05/2021 at 12:15
The past sure is tense.
19/05/2021 at 12:54
21/05/2021 at 03:10
Lance Percival. Now there’s a name that must surely be made up but I hope isn’t because he certainly inhabited it when he was on the telly in the 197eventies.
21/05/2021 at 10:01
John Lancelot Blades Percival was his full name.
Born 26 July 1933 Sevenoaks – Died 6 January 2015 London.
18/05/2021 at 06:42
My mum’s cousin started digging into the family tree a couple of years ago. My grandmother, in her 90s and as racist as you’d expect an ancient Cockney to be, told him to drop it as “the past belongs in the past and there are things best left undiscovered.”
Turns out both her parents were actually… French.
So I’m a quarter French, whereas Mrs F who lived there from 6 months to 18 years old, is not at all (although she’s half-Spanish).
Ooh la la…
18/05/2021 at 12:17
That explains the stripey jersey.
Or does it … *Twilight Zone music*
18/05/2021 at 15:09
But I can’t be proper Froglish as I am allergic to both onions and garlic. But not bicycles.
Black Celebration says
18/05/2021 at 06:51
I remember Griff Rhys Jones on Who Do You Think You Are looking into a strand of his lineage and concluded that his great great grandfather was a complete arsehole.
18/05/2021 at 07:39
GLW did it and discovered she comes from Cambusnethan. Like, totally. Even her Irish grandfather it turns out came from a family originally from Cambusnethan. She is surprised she doesn’t have six fingers.
I’m adopted, and based on my appearance assumed Slavic heritage. We did my daughters dna, and therefore mine, and apparently I’m half Hull half Edinburgh. We’d always thought of ourselves as an Anglo-Scots family but I guess it’s more of a Scots family with a bit of English.
A mate is delighted that a family story of having some Jamaican heritage turns out to be true.
Anyway I’m off to listen to the Proclaimers and have a fry up. It’s my heritage you know. ( or, coming from Hull, yer nerr.)
18/05/2021 at 12:20
Sunshine on Rerd?
the californian says
18/05/2021 at 14:05
I was actually born in Cambusnethan. When I was born back in the 50’s, it still had a working coalmine. The Cambusnethan I was born into was, by then, a neighbourhood which had been incorporated into the larger Motherwell and Wishaw conurbation. It is, effectively, a suburb of Wishaw and is about 30k south-east of Glasgow. Back in about the 11th century, Cambusnethan actually described a very large area incorporating large parts of Lanarkshire. Because of this, some birth certificates show that the person was born in the Cambusnethan Parish but not necessarily Cambusnethan ‘village’ itself. One of the few claims to fame is that the Alexander Brothers were born there and were local painters & decorators before becoming the kilted troubadours of ‘Nobody’s Child’ repute. So, there you go!
Regarding DNA, I had mine checked some years ago and it confirmed that, on my father’s side, I am almost completely from Ireland and, mainly, the south. My motherline is from the Western Refuges. So, a lot of Spain and Portugal there. Whilst I have quite an affinity with Ireland, especially Cork and Kerry, I have no particular feelings for Spain or Portugal. However, I consider myself a proud Scot first and foremost.
Vulpes Vulpes says
18/05/2021 at 15:02
18/05/2021 at 07:45
Out of interest what to people gain from the knowledge? I mean when they look out of curiosity, not for any legal reason regarding parentage.
18/05/2021 at 14:24
Well, having kids the GLW was interested in how our daughter is very much like one side of her family. Our boy not so. And given the shall we say mixed upbringings we both had it was interesting to her to see if the family tales were in any way realistic (mostly not).
Me? Not bothered. Basically no one in my family is genetically related to anyone else (bit of an exaggeration, but not as much as you might think) and I am keen NOT to find (more) long lost relatives. So I went along with it to please me daughter.
I quite liked the idea of a Slavic heritage. Will have to adjust to baiting the GLW as a weegee from the heights of Edinburgh. (probably Leith? port to port to Hull? Who knows? Who cares?)
18/05/2021 at 19:18
Weegees, or weegies are from Glasgow, Paul.
18/05/2021 at 21:59
She’s a WeeGee, I’m from posh Edinburgh… (and yes she’s actually from Wishaw ish, and Edinburgh isn’t that posh and… I’m from Hull)
19/05/2021 at 08:59
Apologies Paul. I misunderstood your sentence.
20/05/2021 at 21:38
Nah, it wasn’t clear.
18/05/2021 at 08:57
There is no way on GGE that I am surrendering my genetic data to anyone, let alone a company whose results I can’t independently validate.
Once they have your data, they have your data and will do with it what they want.
18/05/2021 at 09:17
Sell your DNA on eBay no doubt, to crims who will then sprinkle it around crime scenes and you’ll be lucky if you don’t end up on death row.
19/05/2021 at 03:06
You jest. There are people doing time in the USA because someone in the family did one of these tests.
That data can be sold on, for example, to insurance companies.
18/05/2021 at 15:10
I share your doubts about the honesty and probity of the testing companies.
I wonder if it is possible to get an analysis done by a reliable bunch who may be trusted to only retain an anonymized dataset. I don’t really care if I contribute to a vast dataset that includes a record (mine) that just says, “There’s a bloke here who’s related to a sponge and has a courgette for a maternal great-grandparent” as long as the record’s not identifiable as being me. Trouble is, how do I know who to trust?
I’ve done a bit of genealogy over the years, and I’d love to investigate this further from a biological perspective; there must sponges out there with whom I’d clearly recognise a shared family likeness.
18/05/2021 at 15:19
Better a sponge than a stone, dear boy….
hubert rawlinson says
18/05/2021 at 15:23
Couldn’t one of the GPs on here offer an under the counter service.
Nick L says
18/05/2021 at 10:04
I haven’t used that method but my Dad did an extremely thorough tracing of the family tree when he first took early retirement about 20 years ago. The results were fascinating…I am descended from eastern European Jews (the Jewish bit wasn’t a surprise because of my surname) but the jobs they all had in the Victorian/Edwardian era are fascinating. Cigar Maker, Naturalist, (which research told us was often something to do with taxidermy) and Thames Lighterman to name but three. Records before about 1880 proved to be impossible to find as it’s thought the first of them only moved here (to Aldgate in the east end) just before that time. I can see how this would have been quite an absorbing project to immerse yourself in. Dad was always very appreciative of just how helpful people in the Jewish records offices were.
18/05/2021 at 10:51
I am from a similar heritage; my forebears on both sides were east European Jews who arrived in London towards the end of the nineteenth century (mum’s side from Lithuania, dad’s from Russia). Imagine Fiddler On The Roof made real. My surname, indeed, is a mere four generations old; my dad’s family name was Horowitz until my great-great-grandfather (like a great many Jewish immigrants of the time) changed it to something more British sounding to try to blend in and also lessen the chances of getting beaten up yet again.
18/05/2021 at 11:48
Your lot allegedly invented fish and chips. I thank you from the bottom of my suet-clogged heart.
18/05/2021 at 13:03
Our fried fish was a traditional thing that certainly proved to be a big hit with the host population. Our beetroot soup, not so much..
19/05/2021 at 14:25
I’d never thought about the Fiddler on The Roof reference @Slug but it’s an interesting one, as is the bit about your Great Great Grandfather changing his surname. It was alleged that some of my relatives changed it just before the second world war in case they were captured, but they promptly changed it back again afterwards, so there was no way of knowing if it was actually true or not.
GCU Grey Area says
My partner took out a sub to the ancestry website, and has been doing both our family trees. Fascinating stuff.
Half of her family looked down on the others for being mere farm labourers, when it turned out those being looked down had been landowners and voters, who’d gone on to other things.
Also, one of my grandmothers appears to have been first registered as a boy at birth. Soon sorted, it appears, and my Dad was one of six children. . .
18/05/2021 at 13:27
Did it and kept the sub going long enough to research the family tree. DNA pure Celt and Viking, as hoped. I was dreading some English dilution. Family trees an eye opener, meaning the sanitised option offered by my mother was just that. Basically good barefoot tinker stock on my mothers Hebridean side: her birth certificate showed her mother couldn’t read and that her father may have already done a drunken runner. He died in 2021 of the Spanish flu, she 9 years later in 1929 of presumed sepsis/ peritonitis, the cert pointedly saying not seen by any dr before, during or after. She had been a lone crofter plying her strip in abject penury at the other end of the island from the boarding house she had delivered her six or seven children, my mother the youngest. Ouch. My fathers family were good Morayshire farming stock, my grandfather a middle aged yeoman who squired the fresh faced neighbours dter, producing four children ahead of perfing an ulcer in one of his fields, whilst ploughing. My grandmother, with 4 kids under 5, until one died, trained as a teacher and lived long enough to terrify me as a small child.
Scottish registry records are usually a bit better than the English equivalent, being a nation then in greater thrall to the church. Got back to the 1700s on both sides, nobody rich and nobody famous.
18/05/2021 at 14:12
After my ex’s discovery I now think I may do the DNA test. I don’t have too many worries about the privacy issues.
I have used the ancestry site and traced back about 200 years as much as one can. Didn’t find anything more exciting than Welsh and Northern English as expected. Most of my ancestors worked as labourers or in farming. Yawn.
18/05/2021 at 14:56
My mum became obsessed with doing it so I wasted 90 quid on it for Christmas and she glanced at the report for 2 minutes and it was never mentioned again. It said we are distantly related to loads of people all over the place.
I’m descended from Hugeonot French on my dad’s side in quite an exciting story (ish) which is fairly verified, as far as these things can be.
Yeah, that was my suspicion. So far as I know I’m largely Scottish, I think my mother’s father whom I never met might have been English, and there is probably a bit of Irish a few generations back. I can’t imagine having that confirmed or refuted, unless in some spectacular way, would be worth the bother of finding out.
Then again I don’t see much appeal in family trees either, other than as an academic exercise. I have never had nor wanted kids so maybe if I have no interest in a future bloodline I also have no concern about the past one.
18/05/2021 at 15:40
It’s actually an attempt to create a social media thing. And I imagine on-sales once you’re in. You only see people they already know though in theory that expands, then there’s a “community” thing which my mum wouldn’t go near in a million years.
My aunt researched the family tree and I find it fascinating. There are some interesting stories back in my ancestry which she dug out by diligent research.
19/05/2021 at 12:48
My mum’s family had a legend that there was some Huguenot in them somewhere. I did the test recently and there was no sign of it, sadly. Turns out I’m more Scottish than expected, although it’s interesting to see the margin of error, which can vary wildly.
Family trees are another thing altogether, I’ve been doing mine on and off for years now and often found myself going down yet another rabbit hole for a few hours chasing some obscure relative. As more records are digitized or made available it gives another reason to dig into it all over again. The 1921 UK census is due for release in January 2022, so there’ll be plenty of interest in that.
Dave Amitri says
18/05/2021 at 16:16
I should do it really. All Scottish on my Dad’s side I image being a Ross in the real world. Mum’s side is interesting as she is convinced hat her Dad told her once that she was related to Picasso. I’m not convinced, maybe one day.
We did get our Battersea dog’s DNA checked. it went something like 30 % Labrador, 20 % Staffie, 20 % German Shepherd, 20% Bulldog, 10% unspecified…….
Arthur Cowslip says
20/05/2021 at 23:19
My cousin once traced back our family on my dad’s side.
My grandad came from travelling people (the ‘shows’ we call it in Scotland… travelling fairground basically) so no hope of tracing anything on that side.
On my granny’s side, the family all stayed locally right back to the mid 1800s. The street my great great great (not sure how many greats) grandmother stayed in 150 years ago was just around the corner from the street my grandad lived in when he died 10 years ago, and just a couple of miles away from where I stay now. We’re obviously born to be home birds!
23/05/2021 at 09:26
My mum has been tracing back her lineage and has managed to go back to about 1790 apparently. They lived eight miles from where I’m currently sitting, so clearly liked the scenery.
23/05/2021 at 10:36
They remembered when it was all fields around here, then?
David Kendal says
23/05/2021 at 11:33
There was an interesting series a few years ago, which I think Neil Oliver presented, about the origins of the British. They were trying to work out where people came from, using a mixture of genetics, written history, and analysis of language and place names.
One thing they did was point out that most people in Britain hardly moved more than a few miles before the industrial revolution, and if they did it was to emigrate. So, if you can trace your family back to about 1800, showing that they have lived in the same place since then, that means they have probably lived there for a least the previous thousand years. They did genetic analysis on people like that to find out which groups of people lived in different parts of the country.
I don’t remember it in great detail, and research changes the picture all the time. But the main theme seemed to be that most British people are descended from post ice-age settlers, and Celts, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings are just a later part of the mixture. The Anglo-Saxons were a small part overall, and their dominance seems to have been cultural. There were battles, but they had an open state and if you learnt their language, you could be part of what was a fairly sophisticated culture.
Some of the participants had a sentimental attachment to what they thought were their roots. Disappointment from Geordies who found out they weren’t descended from Vikings, and on the other hand Scots and Welsh people who discovered they were pretty much the same as the English.
23/05/2021 at 12:24
Re your last sentence: I don’t wish to alarm you, but you seem to have a claymore stuck in the top of your head.
23/05/2021 at 22:07
Thanks @david-kendal I had not heard that before. I have seen a DNA map of England, and the way I read it was that there are quite a few differences across our patch of the earth.
My mum did a DNA test following on from her look at the family tree, and apparently you can compare your DNA with others who are similar to your own. Why would you want to do this? it sounds like a MySpace but only for “people who are from around here and that I probably know.” Unsurprisingly the people my mum actually matched with were with… (Dun dun Durrr) people she is related to.
24/05/2021 at 02:16
My Mum did one very recently.
As well as confirming what we largely already knew, given her convoluted background, it apparently immediately pinged her to relatives, some VERY close (my son) and others in varying degrees of separation.
That would worry me. Do your own test to get your own background, end up in someone else’s results…
24/05/2021 at 03:01
DNA detectives are fascinating in leading to solving crimes from decades ago. Cold case files that were once frustratingly dead in the water are now being solved. I saw a show about this in the past six months or so in North America but for the life of me I can’t recall what it was called.
24/05/2021 at 03:55
There’s a local case happening here along those lines. Just google Somerton Man, an international mystery of some 70 odd years about a dead bloke found on the beach with nothing to identify him. Someone thinks they’ve cracked the answer and managed to persuade the Powers-That-Be to exhume the remains to check the DNA.
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