The king is in the counting house
Some folk have all the luck
And all we get are pictures of lord and lady muck
They come from lovely people with a hard line in hypocrisy
There are ashtrays of emotion for the fag ends of the aristocracy
“I wait for the day when they announce that they are going to publicly behead the Duke of Westminster in Parliament Square”
That’s a beautiful piece of writing – explaining how whilst accepting may well contradict the views of his youth ( and still his view) – he wants to keep his Mam happy and honor his history. That’s what growing up is about.
I am pretty much the same age as EC, with very similar viewpoints. I believe I would take the same view – for my Mam and Dad.
Hmm. My dad and my grandparents would have wanted me to send it back. They were leftie republicans, as am I. My mam? I’m not so sure. She’s a floating voter.
Elvis’s dad was a secret lemonade drinker – that’s all I know.
PS. The only way I could honour my parents if I was in Elvis’s position would be if I rocked up fert’ gonging carrying a few hand grenades
I think this “for my parents” thing is often part of it… but for many gongees there must also be an element of it saying to the people who teased them at school – especially teachers -.”How ya like me now, fuckers?”
It is elegantly put. But the line that I’m only accepting to keep my parents happy is the oldest one in the book for left leaning types wanting to accept an honour (and why not?) whilst dodging cries of hypocrisy.
But good luck to him – he’s a deserving recipient.
A more bizarre award in HM’s birthday honours list is Mathangi Arulpragasam, better known as MIA.
A very smart cookie, and the fact that still she makes me go all wobbly at the knees is a bonus for me, but she’s spent her whole career sticking it to the man, so her MBE seems strange.
Of course, nobody knows what kind of music Liz and Phil really like. Behind locked doors, they may really enjoy some atonal jazz squawking. After a week of being polite to that doughnut, Trump, she must be in need of something very cathartic.
I’d put good money on them going for some Rammstein.
I think the honours system is a big pile of shite, particularly when you see them dished out amongst the elite and to party donors. ¬ ‘Sir’ Phillip Green for example. Yet I still get angry about who gets them and who doesn’t! It makes me laugh when apparent anti-establishment figures accept them ‘for their mum’. What a load of twaddle!
It could explain why David Bowie turned down an OBE and, later, a knighthood. His mother, Peggy, damaged from her own childhood and the stigma of being a single mother to Terry, Bowie’s older half-brother, was emotionally distant. He had a much closer relationship with his father.
I feel that the honours system is most useful in looking at those who have turned down honours – by and large a far more impressive list of people than those who accept
I think the same but I’ve often wondered what I’d do if I was offered one (I won’t be!). I’d rather like to see behind the scenes at a ‘do’ at Buck House…. I’d probably end up not getting past the dress code bit! Ultimately I don’t think I could bring myself to accept anything from that mob… what if on the day it was presented by the pea-brain who’s next in line?!
I think it depends what it’s for. People who have done good public spirited stuff, fair enough. Dull civil servants who have done no more than rock up, keep their noses clean and take the pension, not so much.
It’s the ones in the latter category who are most keen.
There is another lot: those who make a shed load of money or get richly rewarded in their line of work anyway, yet the powers that be think they deserve even more. I’m thinking Olympic gold medalists, actors, musicians….
I simply don’t get the concept of a prize for doing your job (musicians, artists,sportsmen, politicians, authors, actors etc and the classic central heating salesmen). We have awards where I work, some people get worked up about not winning, some put a lot of effort (not actually doing their job at the time – ie presenting what they’ve done in simple soundbites) in trying to win. I was invited to the annual dinner last year, didn’t have the appropriate clothes for the dress code (a suit) and didn’t ever get round to picking up the perspex ‘trophy’.
I don’t want to be first, I just want to pass.
Hmmm. That didn’t occur to me, I was trying to impress that it wasn’t sour grapes…. oh, and anyway,I thought the clever bit was the Costello quote at the end!
But what did you do before that, Mike? (All Mikes to be tarred with the Methuselah brush, seeing as it’s summer. Tahir’s back, so guess who may be due next? Yeah, Lodey.)
Can’t be too surprised, Queenie’s not too hot on what constitutes the Greatest Generation.
She genuinely thinks it’s her own. No, really!!!
She’ll have more in common with Costello than Paul, Mick, Keith or Ray.
I think this week of all weeks, describing a bunch of layabouts who grew their hair and played some music as our “greatest generation” is… an interesting opinion.
Never mind defeating the biggest and most horrible enemy we’ve ever had and then coming back to build a welfare state, here’s Herman’s Hermits!
OBE? Pah! A mate of mine got a CBE for polishing the seat of his pants in the Civil Service for 30 years.
An award isn’t worth a bucketful of warm spit.
I think Costello stopped being a rebel several years ago now – Spike was maybe the last album that was anti establishment. It coincided with him hobnobbing with Presidents and film stars.
Don’t have a problem with his OBE it’s his choice. No one else should have a problem with it either. I have more of a problem that he hasn’t announced any UK tour dates yet for this year.
Surely it’s Declan McManus OBE? Was listening to some of his early stuff recently, his attitude towards women at that time, is pretty interesting. Not sure it would be as well received these days.
Is it his attitude to women or his honest articulation/exploration of his own conflictions, insecurities and prejudices. There’s a difference – if we take him seriously as an artist (and a lyricist) – and I do. Same with the way Martin Amis beats up his male protagonists and lays bare their pathetic clinging onto some sort of machismo?
I think he has the respect of whole range of women in music. Emmylou Harris described him as the most generous person she had met. Roseanne Cash, Lucinda Williams, Larkin Poe all have worked with him and revere him.
He has a chequered past regarding relationships but dont we all? Show me a paragon of virtue out there?
I think he has the respect of whole range of women in music. Emmylou Harris described him as the most generous person she had met. Roseanne Cash, Lucinda Williams, Larkin Poe all have worked with him and revere him.
He has a chequered past regarding relationships but dont we all? Show me a paragon of virtue out there?
PS. “Man thinks his best ideas for lyrics come out of his least worthy thoughts” shocker. This stuff goes right back to Ovid. “Oh god, that’s a horrible thing to think, I hate myself… on the other hand, I could turn it into a doozy of a middle eight”
Concluding his (brilliant) notes to the 2-disc reissue of Blood and Chocolate, EC ruefully ponders whether it’s worth making a mess of your life (esp. relationships) just so that you can write songs about it.
I saw Billy Bragg this evening talking about his career and his new pamphlet.
He said he turned down an honour, and was disappointed that Elvis had accepted one.
Benjamin Zephaniah was offered an MBE a good few years back. He said it didn’t seem right for a person of African descent to accept an honour that had “British Empire” in it’s title.
Mitch Murray also got an award mention. I don’t think he got a mention on the news, although ironically, the bulk of the population probably know more of his songs.
Given the preponderance of celebrity OBEs and MBEs these days, it’s fun to remember that this was not always the norm. Prior to the Beatles getting their MBE’s in 1965, honours weren’t awarded to Entertainers and certainly not upstart rockn’n’rollers (despite the amount of foreign currency they may have earned their country)
One Col. Frederick Wagg, on hearing of them getting the award, returned not only his own, but also his 12 wartime medals and cancelled his Labour Party membership.
“Decorating the Beatles,” he wrote, “has made a mockery of everything this country stands for. I’ve heard them sing and play, and I think they’re terrible.”
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I wonder whether Elvis will be asked to entertain the other gong-recipients at the Palace with a nice version of “Tramp the Dirt Down”?
The Queen wasn’t a fan of Thatcher (allegedly).
Nor was Theresa May. At school she told people that she would be the 1st female PM and was upset when Thatch got there first
Her Maj might not take to kindly to Oliver’s Army.
The king is in the counting house
Some folk have all the luck
And all we get are pictures of lord and lady muck
They come from lovely people with a hard line in hypocrisy
There are ashtrays of emotion for the fag ends of the aristocracy
“I wait for the day when they announce that they are going to publicly behead the Duke of Westminster in Parliament Square”
The automatic gates close up between the shanties and the Palace…
and…
They say gold paint on the palace gates comes from the teeth of pensioners
They’re so tired of shooting protest singers
That they hardly mention us
That’s a beautiful piece of writing – explaining how whilst accepting may well contradict the views of his youth ( and still his view) – he wants to keep his Mam happy and honor his history. That’s what growing up is about.
I am pretty much the same age as EC, with very similar viewpoints. I believe I would take the same view – for my Mam and Dad.
Hmm. My dad and my grandparents would have wanted me to send it back. They were leftie republicans, as am I. My mam? I’m not so sure. She’s a floating voter.
Elvis’s dad was a secret lemonade drinker – that’s all I know.
PS. The only way I could honour my parents if I was in Elvis’s position would be if I rocked up fert’ gonging carrying a few hand grenades
I think this “for my parents” thing is often part of it… but for many gongees there must also be an element of it saying to the people who teased them at school – especially teachers -.”How ya like me now, fuckers?”
It is elegantly put. But the line that I’m only accepting to keep my parents happy is the oldest one in the book for left leaning types wanting to accept an honour (and why not?) whilst dodging cries of hypocrisy.
But good luck to him – he’s a deserving recipient.
A more bizarre award in HM’s birthday honours list is Mathangi Arulpragasam, better known as MIA.
A very smart cookie, and the fact that still she makes me go all wobbly at the knees is a bonus for me, but she’s spent her whole career sticking it to the man, so her MBE seems strange.
Still, good excuse to listen to this again:
Feargal Sharkey is OBEd too.
Other bizarre awards – Andrew Roachford receives an MBE in recognition of providing the soundtrack to the opening of the Alan Partridge film.
“How ya like me now, Kevin?”
You win the thread
Of course, nobody knows what kind of music Liz and Phil really like. Behind locked doors, they may really enjoy some atonal jazz squawking. After a week of being polite to that doughnut, Trump, she must be in need of something very cathartic.
I’d put good money on them going for some Rammstein.
I think the honours system is a big pile of shite, particularly when you see them dished out amongst the elite and to party donors. ¬ ‘Sir’ Phillip Green for example. Yet I still get angry about who gets them and who doesn’t! It makes me laugh when apparent anti-establishment figures accept them ‘for their mum’. What a load of twaddle!
It could explain why David Bowie turned down an OBE and, later, a knighthood. His mother, Peggy, damaged from her own childhood and the stigma of being a single mother to Terry, Bowie’s older half-brother, was emotionally distant. He had a much closer relationship with his father.
Everyone has their price I suppose. It’s kind of worse when it’s someone who fancies themselves as a rebel till a bauble gets handed out.
I feel that the honours system is most useful in looking at those who have turned down honours – by and large a far more impressive list of people than those who accept
The artist R.S. Lowry holds the record for turning down the most honours. Five in all, including a knighthood.
I think the same but I’ve often wondered what I’d do if I was offered one (I won’t be!). I’d rather like to see behind the scenes at a ‘do’ at Buck House…. I’d probably end up not getting past the dress code bit! Ultimately I don’t think I could bring myself to accept anything from that mob… what if on the day it was presented by the pea-brain who’s next in line?!
I think it depends what it’s for. People who have done good public spirited stuff, fair enough. Dull civil servants who have done no more than rock up, keep their noses clean and take the pension, not so much.
It’s the ones in the latter category who are most keen.
There is another lot: those who make a shed load of money or get richly rewarded in their line of work anyway, yet the powers that be think they deserve even more. I’m thinking Olympic gold medalists, actors, musicians….
I simply don’t get the concept of a prize for doing your job (musicians, artists,sportsmen, politicians, authors, actors etc and the classic central heating salesmen). We have awards where I work, some people get worked up about not winning, some put a lot of effort (not actually doing their job at the time – ie presenting what they’ve done in simple soundbites) in trying to win. I was invited to the annual dinner last year, didn’t have the appropriate clothes for the dress code (a suit) and didn’t ever get round to picking up the perspex ‘trophy’.
I don’t want to be first, I just want to pass.
Ah, the humblebrag… 😉
Hmmm. That didn’t occur to me, I was trying to impress that it wasn’t sour grapes…. oh, and anyway,I thought the clever bit was the Costello quote at the end!
If I ws offered an OBE (for 68 gruelling years of underachievement) I’d accept.
And put it on Ebay. Should be worth a few quid…
And so you should @Mike_H
I hear you worked very hard on that underachievement.
A lifetime of dedication.
But what did you do before that, Mike? (All Mikes to be tarred with the Methuselah brush, seeing as it’s summer. Tahir’s back, so guess who may be due next? Yeah, Lodey.)
KGB assassin, tribal god-king, mad scientist..
Bit of this, bit of that…
You too? Small world.
Wouldn’t want the job of painting it, etc.
Imagine how much rubbing down you’d have to do, just to get a decent finish.
Can’t be too surprised, Queenie’s not too hot on what constitutes the Greatest Generation.
She genuinely thinks it’s her own. No, really!!!
She’ll have more in common with Costello than Paul, Mick, Keith or Ray.
I think this week of all weeks, describing a bunch of layabouts who grew their hair and played some music as our “greatest generation” is… an interesting opinion.
Never mind defeating the biggest and most horrible enemy we’ve ever had and then coming back to build a welfare state, here’s Herman’s Hermits!
Peter Noone and the NHS. Both on their last legs.
OBE? Pah! A mate of mine got a CBE for polishing the seat of his pants in the Civil Service for 30 years.
An award isn’t worth a bucketful of warm spit.
That’s a particularly unpleasant image. Thanks. 🤢
I think Costello stopped being a rebel several years ago now – Spike was maybe the last album that was anti establishment. It coincided with him hobnobbing with Presidents and film stars.
Don’t have a problem with his OBE it’s his choice. No one else should have a problem with it either. I have more of a problem that he hasn’t announced any UK tour dates yet for this year.
As we can see from this chilling image, an OBE is not the highest of his ambitions.
It’s good news really. He doesn’t want to depose the queen. He wants to depose Trump.
President Elvis?
Somewhere, Greil Marcus has just had an “excitement accident”
Surely it’s Declan McManus OBE? Was listening to some of his early stuff recently, his attitude towards women at that time, is pretty interesting. Not sure it would be as well received these days.
Is it his attitude to women or his honest articulation/exploration of his own conflictions, insecurities and prejudices. There’s a difference – if we take him seriously as an artist (and a lyricist) – and I do. Same with the way Martin Amis beats up his male protagonists and lays bare their pathetic clinging onto some sort of machismo?
I think he has the respect of whole range of women in music. Emmylou Harris described him as the most generous person she had met. Roseanne Cash, Lucinda Williams, Larkin Poe all have worked with him and revere him.
He has a chequered past regarding relationships but dont we all? Show me a paragon of virtue out there?
I think he has the respect of whole range of women in music. Emmylou Harris described him as the most generous person she had met. Roseanne Cash, Lucinda Williams, Larkin Poe all have worked with him and revere him.
He has a chequered past regarding relationships but dont we all? Show me a paragon of virtue out there?
Me, I’m lovely*
*please don’t ask my wife for verification of this**
**or my ex-wife***
***especially my ex-wife
Dont think my ex wife would put me up for an OBE. They are not the people to offer impartial views.
My current wife wouldn’t even put me up for a bloody Blue Peter badge.
Nice to see SteveT In Dub again. 😉
PS. “Man thinks his best ideas for lyrics come out of his least worthy thoughts” shocker. This stuff goes right back to Ovid. “Oh god, that’s a horrible thing to think, I hate myself… on the other hand, I could turn it into a doozy of a middle eight”
Concluding his (brilliant) notes to the 2-disc reissue of Blood and Chocolate, EC ruefully ponders whether it’s worth making a mess of your life (esp. relationships) just so that you can write songs about it.
Rab Noakes is a cancer survivor. He tells of his troubles on stage, then usually quips “at least I got a couple of songs out of it”.
I saw Billy Bragg this evening talking about his career and his new pamphlet.
He said he turned down an honour, and was disappointed that Elvis had accepted one.
In Dub again? I must be missing something
@Moose-the-Mooche
I have to say, you were excellent in Twin Peaks.
Benjamin Zephaniah was offered an MBE a good few years back. He said it didn’t seem right for a person of African descent to accept an honour that had “British Empire” in it’s title.
Mitch Murray also got an award mention. I don’t think he got a mention on the news, although ironically, the bulk of the population probably know more of his songs.
Given the preponderance of celebrity OBEs and MBEs these days, it’s fun to remember that this was not always the norm. Prior to the Beatles getting their MBE’s in 1965, honours weren’t awarded to Entertainers and certainly not upstart rockn’n’rollers (despite the amount of foreign currency they may have earned their country)
One Col. Frederick Wagg, on hearing of them getting the award, returned not only his own, but also his 12 wartime medals and cancelled his Labour Party membership.
“Decorating the Beatles,” he wrote, “has made a mockery of everything this country stands for. I’ve heard them sing and play, and I think they’re terrible.”
Hasn’t EC lived and, er, paid tax in Ireland for about 25 years?
I thought he lived in Vancouver.
And has done these past 15 years….
I’ve been sending Christmas cards to the wrong place!
Stupid cheap stalking software.