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  1. Bill, 64 and David, 68. That’s the Afterword core demographic, right there.

    Yes, she probably has a point, but I don’t think CD sales will sink below a certain point. I did a record fair last Sunday and was pleasantly surprised how many CDs we sold.

    • Just a time-honoured journalistic trick, that lightly mocking stance of “why on earth are you doing (whateveritis)?”
      For all we know the writer may have no actual interest whatsoever in music, but almost certainly she has an interest in having articles published online that get some “hits”.

      I pretty much only buy CDs from the merch tables of artists whose performance I’ve enjoyed, these days. It gives them a decent financial return for their work, at an affordable price to me. And I get to hear if they can make as good a sound in a studio as they do live.

  3. Spotify is like listening to a glorified radio station and downloading means less than nothing to me (unless it’s unreleased bootleg material). I would never pay for a download. Too intangible.

    I’ve still got a million records, but don’t really buy new vinyl because it seems too much like a cynical hipster fad.

    I still buy CDs because I like the concept of ownership and collectability.

    • Spotify may be like a glorified radio station. But if you have it without the ads, it’s one hell of a radio station, with something for every taste.

      For the last week I’ve been enjoying a long playlist of wonderful Nordic jazz, nearly all of which is new to me.

      Next I think I might go for a playlist of ……..Swiss Navy Sea Shanties or ….. Icelandic songs about trees.

      • Spotify is nothing like a radio station. Unless you want it to be.

        And then it is like a radio station. Except playing songs you will almost certainly like.

        And if you don’t you can skip the offending track.

        But if you do really like something, then you can reset the radio function around that.

        And you can create playlists. And share them. If you want to. Or not. If you don’t.

        And you can discover new music.

        Or browse related artists of performers you like.

        The point is – it’s you that’s in control.

        Not like radio, At all.

      • And today I handed over $23 sunburnt Aussie dollars for the Beatles Live At The Hollywood Bowl CD. I get to keep it forever and pass it on to my kids. I can even make copies of it if I want. And there’s a glossy booklet to read and everything.

        Suck on that, streaming fans.

          • Fortunately my two could identify the individual Fabs almost before they could speak and both have grown up in a house surrounded by records, CDs and guitars. Although, like most 80s kids, they have embraced the digital world, they still value the finer things in life.

  5. This year, I have re-connected with CDs.
    I like the idea of a limited amount of music.
    Streaming etc is ok when I am doing other stuff, but like the idea of putting on a disk be it CD or Vinyl and dedicating time to listening to it.
    I have started buying CDs via Diskogs.

    What are the massive’s view/experience on using this site, I wonder.

        • I use Amazon marketplace all the time, the price of CDs/LPs/DVD/Bluray is often nearly half what Amazon are asking.

          As you can see from my comment above I still buy CDs and LPs. That woman who wrote that condescending piece spoke a load of bollocks, she has no fecking idea about the music industry, niether do I, but a visitor from Mars could have done better.

          Streaming does have a place, yeah, a million fecking miles from me.

          • Heartily concur with you matey. This week I have bought or I should say ordered about 12. So yes still buy them – probably in larger quantities than ever before so clearly she is bonkers.

            Aren’t streams for paddling in?

            • A stream is for paddling in, right enough, an occasional pleasure. So Spotify is there and available to me, but I prefer a full immersion in my own bath. But i am as happy to download and create a CD as I am to buy it “ready-made”, and spread my desires between the two.

    • I’ve used it for vinlies, and so long as the seller is honest it’s a great way of getting hard to find stuff, and cheaper than eBay. Amazon marketplace is good for CDs; I got one in the post today – it cost a penny (plus £1.26 p+p).

    • I concur with the desire for a ‘limited amount of music.’

      Finally got around (15 minutes ago) to starting to listen to the much-recommended Judy Henske and Jerry Yester ’69 L.P. on CD.

      I really don’t plan, Brian Matthew on Saturday morning aside, to listen to anything else for 4/5 days.
      I’ve been meaning to listen to it for at least 25 years, so I might as well do it thoroughly.

    • The pricing of Amazon Marketplace is hard to resist.
      If you’re buying from MusicMagpie (previously Zoverstocks), I’ve never had a concern about the condition – virtually brand new (probably played once).
      I’ve got DVDs from there for 1p or 2p – quoted as condition Very Good, and they arrived shrink-wrapped like they were brand new.

      • I didn’t know that Zoverstocks had changed and that you can buy/search direct. I pick up these 4CD boxes of OOC from Proper Records and they were always the cheapest for that stuff.

        • and there is also the Music Magpie Store.
          Does New and “Previously Enjoyed” – free Postage too.

          Pricing is much of a muchness, but it’s another option that I’ve started to expore

  6. My first reaction – spoilt yoof. Be thankful that you are in a position to to go to record shops and ask them questions (interrogation is another thing entirely) and write some words about the whole experience.

    That aside, yes I do, but only a very few every year and they have to be special in some way, either because the packaging/artwork appeals or the music is something I want to go back to. Being 50+ and growing up at a time when buying/owning something was special, I have never got over that desire to own something. I probably never will although I am a lot more discriminating these days. All these youngsters who have grown up in a time of plenty have no idea.

  8. I do. They play in the various systems dotted around the house and in the car and sound much better than MP3s. If I don’t travel by car I’ll listen to music on my iPhone, iPad and even my ageing iPod, but the music on them is largely based on my CD collection. I can’t be bothered using iTunes to buy – or rather lease – music. I want to own it! (Plus I’ve forgotten my password more times than I can remember…).

  9. I am completely digital these days but I cannot bring myself to pay a subscription, no matter how much material it gives me access to. I buy everything I want and knowing that if I had a Spotify or Apple Music sub then anything I downloaded would immediately be unavailable if I stopped the subscription is just a horror story.

    The only CD’s I have bought in the last few years have been some Steven Wilson re-mixes / 5.1 mixes – Yes, The Mighty Tull, XTC etc – as there’s really no digital equivalent at the moment

    Digital, yes, but I still want “ownership”.

  13. Haven’t bought a CD for, oh I dunno, eight years (apart from once when Mr Duco forced me to buy one with no download release). Never been a radio listener since the early seventies but recently have been using Spotify more and more (hint – use a VPN thus no ads). Still got CDs in the car and no question the sound quality is better than mp3 which in turn, at least to my ears, sounds much superior to Bluetooth streaming. But I’ve been decluttering for years and I have no wish to return to shelves full of CDs . I still have a room lined with books but one of these days they are all apart from around 50 or so essential reads getting the heave-ho as well.

  14. I love Spotify but I miss the tangibility of the actual artifact. I also miss the extra information contained on album sleeves/cd jackets – who wrote the song, whose playing on it, where and when it was recorded etc. The last cd I bought was The Avalanches which was not available on Spotify at the time and I couldn’t wait.

  15. My first and considered final opinion? Harpies have to harp about something.

    Today’s topic. As our diets become ever more healthy is there really any need for industrial strength toilet cleaners?

    Nothing else to do? Good.

    Post on Internet. Discuss. Garner response. Flog data.

    Next.

  16. Oh and how are your streams going to replicate special editions? eh, c`mon let`s have an answer.

    Digital booklets, OK we have them, digital boxes, digital postcards, scarfs, badges, model cars, pop-up thingies, holograms, eh, eh, eh,???????? na your stream thingies are useless and fecked.

  17. If I could be bothered to, I could quite quite cross about the general thrust of the piece, which is essentially ‘ this medium is shit, why do still want it, you stupid senile old tossers?’
    Obviously, I’m not about to get cross about some nitwit who probably isn’t a music fan & has almost sertainly never heard a decent hi fi set up – why else the assertion ‘ they sound a bit shit don’t they?’
    Choice is great & there has never been more choice than now. If you want to rent your music, fine. Alternatively, if you like a durable physical product, this is a golden age for buying CDs.
    I can envisage a phase in my dotage when I’ll amuse myself playing the music I’ve collected over many years. I’m fecked if I’m going to fritter my meagre pension renting access to stuff that I bought years before.

  19. Yes, I still buy CDs (in much the same way I still buy paper books). They fall largely into 2 categories:

    Artists who may not get a US iTunes release
    Support acts at concerts who are trying to shift stuff. See: The Mastersons and Prism Tats in recent memory

  20. Atypical people here. Meanwhile CD sales have dropped by about 95% from their peak.

    Also vinyl sales are apparently down 9% this year so far.

    • Out of curiosity, where did you get those numbers from? I have a vested interest in physical music sales, and my experience is nothing like that, more like triple digit growth in vinyl sales this year.

        • Download sales are tanking massively. That business has been cannibalised by streaming, to the extent that it’s quite likely it simply won’t exist in five years. It’s dying far faster than physical media ever did. My experience is that physical sales are fairly robust, which a much more modest rate of decline, probably because the people who didn’t switch to digital downloads are even less likely to switch to streaming services.

          FWIW, I am still very much a physical buyer, with a roughly 50/50 split between CD & vinyl. I use Spotify a bit like I used to MySpace, as a way of sampling before buying. I can’t see myself ever switching over properly to a streaming service though. I still like the idea of ownership and a collection, wi-fi is still not robust or ubiquitous enough to cope with my commuting needs, and I hate the idea of my music being at someone else’s mercy. Sooner or later, one of the majors will get into a business terms spat with Spotify and pull their catalogue, and then what do I do when I want to get my fill of Pig Destroyer?

  21. Pretty snide article, huh? But thanks for using it to kick off the discussion, mini.

    Still buying CDs, though to be honest not that many – it tends to be “event” albums like Blackstar or Skeleton Tree, or anything new by a handful of artists I’ve come a long way with. The main benefit of having a physical object as far as I can see is that it reminds you that the album actually exists. I’ve got dozens, maybe hundreds, of albums I’ve downloaded from emusic that I just forget about, even if I really liked them when I first acquired them.

    I’ve bought a few LPs recently, mainly to support my local shop to be honest as I never play them. My main time for listening to music is the half hour walk to and from work, and vinly doesn’t lend it itself too well to that.

    I can’t cope with Spotify at all. Too much choice, and too little commitment from me. If I haven’t paid money for a specific album I don’t seem to have the motivation to listen to more than the first 30 seconds of the first track before thinking of something else I absolutely have to hear right now.

  22. Yes still buy lots of CDs – last weekends boot fair haul included a few. I also buy and sell via Discogs which is a much more attractive option for sellers due to sensible fees. Not had any issues really although recently posted a vinly to Russia and some CDs to Thailand – and these went by surface mail at the buyers request. He saved himself a pound on postage but imposed a 42 day delivery time upon himself. I also have a sub to emusic – and once downloaded all tracks are saved to CD.

  23. Yes, still buy CDs, pretty much in the same way that I still read books printed on real paper and still breathe real air. I’ve tried downloading my oxygen from the interweb but found the whole experience distinctly suffocating.

  24. I can’t be arsed to read the article but I can yak on about CDs and vinlys. Yes I still buy both, probably as many as anyone else here. My wife told me that we had 30K records of one kind or another; and that was about 10 years ago. Strange thing is that I stopped buying LPs when I got a CD player in 1987. How ever were we so stupid? I didn’t even have a working record deck for about 10 or 15 years in there somewhere but I bought a Project Debut a few years back and remembered we had a vintage tube amplifier in the back of a wardrobe. My father in law gave it to us in the late seventies. We hadn’t really used it for some reason, but I plugged it all in – it’s a Rogers Cadet III from 1965 or 1966 – and it sounds absolutely wonderful. It had some dodgy switches and crackles when I turned it on but I got it refurbed for £60 and all was good. I have now started to buy old vinlys again, and appreciate those I already had. The tone, depth and attack of vinyl and tube amp is really something to hear. Just played an original pressing of The Who Live At Leeds – blimey.

  25. I don’t know what kind of Walkman this Daisy person used to have, but her assertion that they were “the size of a dinner plate” made me think she might be prone to bollock-speak long before we got to the sniping “interrogations”.

  26. Like most on here I still buy CDs, in fact a nice box of them from D Bowie will be placed in an Amazon locker on Friday for collection when we get back from holiday. But I like downloads and I’m a new convert to Spotify and love it. We’ve had great fun making playlists while sitting in the Lincolnshire sunshine, yes there has been some!

  27. Re comments above ;

    Have found Discogs pretty good source of more obscure CD’s – and very good sellers too. There are so many promo discs out there I wonder who bought a proper one?

    I still recall buying my first CD’s in later 80’s – in my memory some were £30 a go – can that be right?

    I think I understand some of the appeal of vinyl – in the same way I understand the appeal of using a proper fountain pen on proper paper to write a proper letter as I have done occasionally ….but life’s too short?

    I have bought CD’s from Amazon, got the download and sold it on e-bay “brand new sealed”…and convinced she that the habit is self financing – she plays along.

    Having bought from eBay and discog sellers all over the place the second hand jiffy bags arrive quite regularly – as far as I can tell only 1 attracted the attention of the authorities (in Guernsey) who wrote a letter (bless) asking about the seller…which I ignored.

    Worst problem with CD’s? when you try and move your ikea billy bookcase and manage to send shelf full crashing to the floor those jewel cases create lethal shrapnel waiting for unsuspecting feet…ouch!

    • Feet? I’ve done worse than that with a plastic CD case.

      When I ressurected my interest in CDs (see the lengthier than I thought it would be post below), I went through all my CDs, replacing damaged boxes with the ones you get free with magazines. Occasionally the front and back of the boxes wouldn’t match up and sometimes they just needed a bit of a push to close them.

      Well, I lounge about the house all day in those bottoms that are not quite pyjamas but not quite jogging bottoms. I was knelt up and couldn’t quite close a CD case, so held it against me and gave it a bit of extra force. It snapped shut, but trapped a fold of my jim jam bottoms in it. By a million to one shot, it grabbed the bit containing the old chap. Now, I am very accident prone, as you would be if you can’t feel your hands and legs. Trapping my big toe and yanking the nail off in one clean go was a good one. But I fear that trapping my willy in a CD case will never be beaten.

    • I don’t think CDs were ever £30 unless you were importing them and even then it sounds a lot. The first CDs I bought in 1984 were, depending on the record label, £10.99, £11.99 or £12.99 and, although the RRP did go up slightly, nobody with access to Our Price would have paid that and even then I don’t think it ever went above £15. The revolution came in 1994 when I logged into Compuserve and bought my first CDs from the US for about £8.00 each. I don’t think I’ve paid much more for one since.

      • Oh I’m sure they were £30 for double ones. I bought the white album in 1990 and I’m sure it was £29.99.

        A big investment that has served me well.

        (“Take this brother, may it serve you well…”)

  28. I reckon I’ve bought more this year than I have done in any calendar year, around 300 or so. This is all because we moved the settee to accommodate the Christmas tree and the missus liked it’s new place, which opened up the space in front of my CD racks and hi-fi. In the previous 7 or 8 years I barely touched my hi-fi and listened to my music either through itunes on my PC or via my ipod. In fact, in recent times, as you get the download from Amazon when buying CDs, I had loads that were still in their cellophane.

    But the first new one I listened to this year was the Bowie one, on the day it came out, and it sounded so much better than listening to mp3s. Having full view of my CD racks also helped me see where the gaps were, so I set about gathering what was missing. I also bought the Kendrick Lamar ‘To Pimp A Butterfly’ CD, which made me realise how little hip hop I had. I’ve since bought something in the region of 250 hip hop CDs! Thankfully, most cost pennies on Amazon and eBay.

    As I don’t work any more (I had a tumour removed from the middle of my spinal cord that caused all kinds of problems), I potter around the house all day, so I usually listen to half a dozen CDs each day, having (under the FPO’s orders) to play the CDs with the more colourful language during the day, whilst the kids are at school.

    I’ve said this before, but I now think I’ve finished my gathering of existing CDs. I have downloaded loads of new music too this year, so I have enough new stuff to last a lifetime. In fact, after picking up London Town by Wings yesterday (I’ve been having a Macca reassessment), and with the mammoth Elvis boxset coming for my birthday at the weekend, I am only actively looking for 3 CDs; Venomous Villain by Viktor Vaughn (aka MF DOOM), Wild Life (the Paul McCartney Collection version) by Wings and the grey poppy sleeve version of Pet Shop Boys’ Release.

    There are some, like the rarer MF DOOM releases, Little Brother’s The Listening and Little People’s Mickey Mouse Operation that I’ll pick up if I see them at a reasonable price, and likewise there are a few Sophie Ellis-Bextor rare promo and foreign singles that I’ll keep an eye out for, but I’m not going to worry if I don’t get them, as I have the music already. And I had managed to gather around 75% of all the Pet Shop Boys CDs/promos/foreign releases until I stopped a few years ago, so I may resurrect that at some point (financial reasons will stop me from gathering everything though, as I stopped last time because I had got down to the expensive ones).

    So I guess that’s the long answer, when the short answer would be ‘yes’!

    • Heh. Hip Hop CDs are ridiculously cheap on Amazon, aren’t they?

      If you’re a Prime member and you choose ‘Fulfilled by Amazon’ and then then the ‘Free no-rush’ option you actually get £1 back, meaning the CD costs as little as 27p.

      It’s my crack.

      • sorry I skipped a post and reference to cd case accident and “prime member” – well there are other contriibutors who could do this better…

    • Wild Life..!? Even as a fan I have trouble listening to that one! Annoyingly for you, I do have the edition you seek, but I’m surprised it’s that rare…?

      • Yes, I used to have it on vinyl but I don’t remember enjoying it too much. I just decided to complete my McCartney collection, seeing as though I have all of John and George’s on CD. Only that one and Flowers In The Dirt remain, but I’m waiting until the reissue of that one, later in the year. Wild Life tends to get listed on eBay around the £20 mark. I’ve read a few articles recently that have praised the album and consider it one of his better ones. Each to their own!

        Even as a completist, I don’t feel the urge to collect all the outstanding Ringo CDs though. I have the best few on CD and a few more on download and that’ll do me. Whilst some of Ringo’s early albums are actually quite good, most of his albums are just awful and sound like a pub turn. I still get perplexed that such good musicians and songwriters in their own right would play on some of the rubbish that Ringo has released over the past 40 years. I can only really think of one decent song, Weight Of The World.

        • I collected a lot of post fabulosa output when I put together all the CDs in the Let’s Put The Beatles Back Together book, and there are some decent(ish) Bongo tracks – Don’t Go Where The Road Don’t Go, I Think Therefore I Rock’n’Roll, and Walk With You is very good. I really like Never Without You (about George) and the couple about Liverpool – The Other Side Of Liverpool and Liverpool 8 are worth checking out.

  29. Do you remember the thrill of owning your first CD? I still quite like them.

    The only ones I buy now are for simply gotta have it purchases – no more than 3 a year – and presents. I have bought people ITunes cards as gifts – but how can I impose my will on people like that? I prefer to buy them a specific CD and tell them that they must listen to it.

  30. Buy CDs so regularly, it’s like a disease or addiction.
    (and to answer Mrs Ds reguklar question: “Yes, I do need some more. And no, I haven’t got enough”

    Can’t bring myself to pay £25 plus for new Vinyl though, but still buy vinyl in Charity Shops and Record Fairs.

  31. My first CD was Jimmy Pge Outrider in 1988 – cost £15 from Britannia.
    Odd thing is, I didn’t own a CD Player until mid 1989.

    Since that first CD, there have been many many more – and the average price in all that time is probably … £15.

    Normal retail price is around £10 – £12 – there can’t be many products that have maintained (or even reduced)* their price point for in the last 27 years

    * except maybe consumer electronics (CD Players, DVD Players, TVs etc)

    • Similarly my first CD was Frank Zappa’s Does Humour Belong In Music? in 1986 and I didn’t acquire a CD player until the following year.

      You see, that album has, to this day, never appeared on vinyl, so what is a Zappa fan supposed to do? There must be millions of albums that arrived too late for vinyl and don’t exist in any other format except CD.

  33. I still buy them, I’ve bough about 50 this year, mostly 2nd hand. I burn copies of CDs I like that I borrow from the library and friends give me copies of CDs they think I will like. I listen to a few specialist music shows on the radio at the weekend. For me consuming new music is an addction and I’m happy with the way I do it.

  34. I probably buy 15-20 a year now, falling into two camps – those by artists who I just buy because I’ve got everything else they’ve done (Dylan, Morrison etc) or those which I’ve listened to on Spotify and liked enough to want to make the commitment of a purchase. I do the large majority of my listening on Spotify now and it’s brilliant, but somehow a good new record on there gets forgotten unless I buy it.

    That said, I buy a lot less than I did, and can well imagine that over the next few years it will be down to zero – the article is right in that that does feel like the way it’s going generally.

  35. Still buy them almost exclusively. If I do buy a download I’ll burn it onto a blank CD and file it in with an appropriate album. For instance, Graham Parker’s hard to find “The Mona Lisa’s Sister” was downloaded but now saved onto disc and stored in his “Best of…” case. Like many here I need to have some physical investment in the format to fully appreciate the music – don’t think I’d feel ownership if all my tracks were in a cloud.

  36. I buy between 100 and 200 CDs a year these days, more than I’ve ever bought before. And the occasional vinly, either if it only comes in that format and is a must-have, or if it’s a special release of some kind; colored vinyl, special artwork – something cool that makes my wallet itch…
    I also rip albums and exchange with friends, but very rarely download anything, and only if it’s free.
    I have Spotify (but not Premium) but I only really use it to listen to albums that I’ve ordered but not yet received if it’s one that I’m especially eager to hear!
    In charity shops I mainly look for the albums from the 90s that I was too poor to buy at the time, and especially Swedish indie.

  37. As @carl says above, space (or lack of it) is often the deciding factor to cut back on CDs. I ran out of shelf space some time ago and storing them in boxes in several rooms seems self-defeating, so I don’t buy as many as I used to.

    I know people who remove them from the jewel cases and store the disc and artwork in plastic slip covers in drawers. It may save on space, but it destroys the browsing factor, it’s not possible with Digipaks and it’s a lot of fannying about generally.

    But unless the industry kills CDs off entirely (which is quite possible) I think they will live on. They don’t have to be the major carrier to survive. Even at 10% of their former penetration (oo-er) that’s enough to see CDs continue for the foreseeable future.

  38. Traditionalist here. Still continue to scan Ebay and record fairs for CDs and vinyl, can’t see myself ever making friends with anything off the internet. My various stereos and loudspeaker pairs all sound great as well, ranging. from high end to quality compact, including 2 turntables.

  39. It’s only in the last two years that I’ve upgraded from a car with a cassette player to a car with a CD player, which felt very exciting and modern.

    Imagine my alarm the other day when I learnt from work colleagues that they don’t make cars with CD players in them anymore. What do they have instead? I can’t quite get my head around it.

    I am apparently, old-fashioned and a Luddite for having a car full of CD cases.

  42. I’ve tried to slow down, really I have, and have been under pressure from the FPO to ‘declutter’…but…..but…I need the browse factor and the shelves and all that, and I can’t just not aquire that new or re-release. I never really downloaded, and I really do think streaming will kill l that. I have Spotify through the hi-fi and it’s great, particularly for trying stuff out or listening to that old record you just want to hear again once, and it’s brilliant for working through the 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Snuff It book. I’ve opined elsewhere that streaming and vinly purchase go together perfectly for the young hipsters – a lovely object to own….but listen to it via streaming as they have crap record players.

    • yes the rummaging thing is a consideration.

      Of course there are genres and the “if you like this then try this” options and it is all quite logical. I guess it is a matter of adjustment but I get overwhelmed by the choice. Funnily enough I’m ok choosing from 3000 vinlys and similar number of CDs.

  43. Yes I still buy them. How else can I acquire more stuff than I have the time to listen to? Digital just doesn’t do that does it? Someone else’s collection available by pressing a button! It’s just not right.

  44. I can’t be bothered with CDs. Mine all went off to Music Magpie before I changed countries, after I ripped all the ones I might want to hear again. I’m now wondering why I bothered, because they’re all on Spotify. I uploaded my jazz collection to Google Play, so they’re all there when I want them.

    I’ve fully embraced streaming, partly because, with decent kit, my ears aren’t sensitive enough to hear the difference, and partly because of the decluttering aspect. I get the point about wanting the physical object, it just doesn’t matter to me. Same with DVDs. Doesn’t seem to apply to books though.

    • I’m the opposite. I cleared out 100s of rock books a while ago, purely because 99% of the info is online. I kept all the beautiful guitar books and some reference works because sometimes it’s difficult to find album personnel/track listings for obscure records online. Otherwise nearly all the rock bios went along with around half of the music DVDs.

      I have no interest in regular movies, so all those went too.

  45. I bought my first one this year today!

    I’ve got horribly out of the habit of buying physical items due to lack of space for the last few years.
    And I don’t buy downloads because they seem too nebulous and easy to lose.

    Although I have bought some vinyl boxsets over the last few years.
    No turntable, mind.

    I’m in a bit of a music-buying muddle, frankly.

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