Drum and bass is absolutely still alive and well, its mutated into breakcore for example as loved by son where every track is less than 2 minutes and all the profiles are manga characters. Tokyo Pill would be a very good example of this.
Im so out of touch that “breakcore” as a genre had never registered – even though according to Wikipedia , its been around for decades. But I rather like this – and I like that it doesn’t outstay its welcome.
DnB is having a massive revival and is some of the most popular live music out there. The Americans are getting into it, having largely missed it first time round.
Billy Bragg’s book about Skiffle, subtitled “How Skiffle Changed The World” is genuinely terrific, and makes a good case for its superficially outrageous claim…
I digitised the Melody Maker “Fiddling While Romo Burns” cassette recently and have been playing it fairly regularly, though I’m hardly shocked that none of the associated bands ever got anywhere…
Never sure what it actually was. Mentioned in the pages of Kerrang.
D*A*D – No Fuel Left For The Pilgrims has been played at least twice in the last 6 years. Maybe not dead, but doesn’t smell too good.
Best book on skiffle?
The bit (200 pages!) in Lewisohn’s massive tome when the Quarrymen were doing it. Seriously, it’s the definite take on the subject.
Didn’t Bragg’s one repeat the oft-quoted and wrong line that skiffle came before rock ‘n’ roll? Might be mis-remembering it. Anyway, they went hand-in-hand.
Also, a doc he fronted made ‘Rock Island Line’ seem far more important than it actually was.
The pivotal Lonnie Donegan release was his ‘Showcase’ LP in December 56. ‘Rock Island Line’ charted in January 56… there are more cups in Tottenham’s trophy cabinet than there were skiffle groups in the U.K. by the end of 56, let alone the beginning of 56, and hardly any of them did ‘Rock Island Line’!
I was going to add “rock” as an increasingly archaic life form, but @twang , who lives and breathes guitars, beat me to it.
There isn’t a lot of trad jazz around these days.
Which reminds me, seeing you are a Duffy Power enthusiast, I see some sessions with him and Argent, the band, are being released. Is this anything you are familiar with?
I love/loved Dubstep. It kind of got absorbed into a number of other genres/turned into a cartoon version of itself by the Americans, but every now and then it still throws up a gem.
Easy Listening! And I mean real “Easy Listening” music that had its own section in record shops back in the 60s. It was played on the radio station my parents listened to. These days if you search for “easy listening” you’ll get Carole King or Cat Stevens. No! THIS is easy listening…
A bit niche perhaps, but there’s a fair amount of Easy (from Geoff Love, Percy Faith, and the like) on Charity Shop Classics, every Sunday morning at 11am on AllFM and on Mixcloud. Although more likely to be genred (is that even a word?) “chazza tat”.
As an outsider of the scenes (I’ve written before about how my university chum Vicky became a ‘Traveller’ after seeing the Levellers), I was never really able to tell the difference between Crusty and Fragglerock (as mentioned above by exilpj).
I went to the gigs, liked the music, bought the records (I still have a couple of Back To The Planet tapes somewhere) but thought that they all just needed to wash their hair.
There was an Irish version of that genre “Raggle Taggle”, that kind of followed the Waterboys move to Spiddal. The Frames were seen as part of it at the time but they’re better than that. I can’t remember any good songs that emerged from it but I think I had a Fatima Mansions t-shirt that had “Raggle Taggle, Nein Danke”, on it. They were a great band for t-shirts.
I can’t help you with Fragglerock (although I think the Terrahawks may have been one of theirs), but having lived in Brighton in the early 90s, I can help you with Crusty: basically, a bunch of poshos asking you for spare change on the Level.
You don’t hear much psychobilly, raggle taggle, or grindie these days. And I speak as someone who was in the room when the NAM (or stool rock) and No Name were born. Bring back the Camden Lurch.
Now that it’s an international phenom, people forget that “shoegaze” was coined as an insult. The Scene That Celebrates Itself were essentially all those shoegaze bands that hung out with each other at Syndrome.
Yes, one of the strangest gigs I ever did was just pre-Covid, the support act were a bunch of A-level students playing their own tunes in a shoegaze stylee. As I helped pack their gear away, I asked them who their influences were.
“Slowdive, mainly” came the reply.
“I used to see them play in my local pub” I said.
I instantly became the coolest soundman ever. For about 10 minutes, anyway.
I’m amazed you can still hear anything after Slowdive – they were rather loud the time I saw them. I think Shoegaze is having a bit of a second wind at the moment in the US.
I too thought psychobilly was of it’s time and long since put out to graze.
but no … local venue is keeping the Punk and New Wave flag flying (see mention of Oi above), and it would appear that many psychobilly bands are still on the circuit (or at least willing to visit Reading)
Some might think neo-medieval folk rock is a somewhat lapsed genre. But no! Ritchie Blackmore is keeping that flame alight, silly clothes and everything.
Neo-medieval folk rock is absolutely thriving in Germany. Bands like Faun, Feuerschwanz, d’Artagnan (“musketeer folk-rock”), Saltatio Mortis, etc., all seem to be doing very well. Some are more folky than rock-y, but there’s not an Arran sweater or warm ale to be seen, and they can often whip a German-speaking crowd in particular into a right proper frenzy.
Here are Faun (one of my faves) rocking a festival crowd with the thumping ‘Baldur’:
“Power Pop” is now a catch-all term for any band with a Rickenbacker and a melody which was active between 1978 and 1979
(most of which had 1 big hit, a couple of smaller ones, before taking up residence in the “Where Are They Now?” file)
Yeah I don’t understand thinking power pop is dead, when it’s basically just guitar based pop musuc. Fountains Of Wayne fit the PP description to a tee, for example.
Hmmm…reading social media comments, invariably by boomers, would have you believe that everything – but EVERYTHING – produced by the raft of current population princesses is ‘bubblegum’.
Rock and Roll Revival – the whole thing from Wizzard through Showaddywaddy and eventually the Stray Cats. Probably about 10 years of wistful remembrance for something that maybe never happened. It dominated pop music at times and then went quiet for a bit. I think maybe Shakin’ Stevens was the end of it.
The early/mid 70s Rock & Roll revival was pretty pervasive – movies like “That’ll Be The Day” and “American Graffiti” were big hits and had mega-selling soundtrack albums, Sha-Na-Na were big for a while in the US, and you might well argue that Glam Rock was just Rock & Roll in new clothes, especially T Rex, Wizzard, G*ry Gl*tt*r, even Bowie… and in the shadow of the New Romantics, everyone forgets the mini 80s Rock & Roll comeback – not just the aforementioned Stray Cats & Shaky, but Matchbox, The Polecats and a few other “Cats” IIIRC…
Mott The Hoople were arguably in the general area too, the nostalgia thing was in some of their songs like ‘Saturday Gigs’ which is a yearning for a time that probably never happened. There was a sense that Rock and Roll had gone away, and that singing about that was the way forward.
Just checked up in 74 I went to see the Kinks at Leeds University supported by Bill Haley and his Comets. There were lots of revival Teds at it, I recognised one as someone I’d been at school with a few years younger than me. As someone wrote ” It was quite comical to watch all the teddy boys file out as Bill’s show ended”
There was the Rock n Roll revival show in London 72 I believe Dr Feelgood was a backing band for several of the acts.
I saw Chuck Berry in 76 and his backing band was the John Verity Band who later went on to play guitar for Argent.
… and also that those kids born between 1940-55 were grown up and wanted to relive their youths, if not as musicians then as fans… there may even have still been the last vestiges of the notion that Rock & Roll and pop music was a fad that would eventually die out…?
I was born in 1950, and I guess I was dimly aware of Rock n Roll as a kid – I listened to the radio a lot from 1959ish onwards (as an aside, I am in the middle of compiling a playlist library for a Gold radio station, and going through hundreds of tracks from, say, 1955 to 1979, has reminded me of when I started hearing stuff), but it was all just music and genres weren’t really referred to – maybe jazz and pop were about it. Some records I liked and some I didn’t.
In the 60s nostalgia wasn’t a thing, certainly not in my age group, although I remember a certain appreciation for some artists that had gone before, particularly Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry who were being covered, but you didn’t hear old music from the 50s…or even last year!….on the radio. There was far too much happening week to week, month to month. The term Rock n Roll came to mean old music, epitomised by Elvis. When the Stones were called the ‘Greatest Rock and Roll band in the world’ it seemed quite…well…odd, because Rock and Roll meant the 50s.
Sha Na Na in the Woodstock movie were the first hint to me that things were maybe changing, and I thought that was great – music was getting far too serious – and, as has been pointed out, that accelerated in the early 70s as a bit of a reaction, I think, to all that progressive rock in the album charts, although it blurred into that genre through Bowie and glam rock.
I think he’s probably right, but – so what? This comment gets trotted out a lot just because that guy said it. It’s sort of rock orthodoxy like ‘…Tony Peluso’s fuzz-tone guitar solo on Goodbye To Love’
I think probably they are complaining about personal things, like running out of toothpaste, or being unable to decide if to use Emmental or Feta on a mung bean salad.
The original name of the NME, Accordion Times and Musical Express, suggests a world of music that has been forgotten. The instrument must have been popular if it had its own paper and even championships but from a cursory look on Google, I can’t see what kind of music was actually played – dance music of some kind I’d guess.
I remember reading that Gary Brooker’s father played steel guitar in the popular act Felix Mendelssohn’s Hawaiian Serenaders – another genre that was everywhere and then disappeared from the mainstream, in the UK anyway.
When my Dad was learning the guitar, in the early 50s, he got a magazine called BMG – Banjo Mandolin Guitar. It had a lot of sheet music transcriptions of popular tunes of the day, and the guitar was (at the time) the lowest priority of the three instruments. There were Spanish and Plectrum guitar pieces. I think there might be a couple of copies of it in the stuff that he left me, but I haven’t found them yet.
Ah yeah, Trouble Funk were sort of their own two genres – Go Go and Industrial Funk. I seem to remember Tackhead being somewhere in that general area. It was good stuff, but completely gone now.
@leffe-gin I was thinking of Tackhead when I said industrial Funk. One of my favourite live bands (as long as Bernard was off with the Stones). I remember early Ministry and bands like Front 242 getting lumped in as Industrial Funk. Lightweight pretenders!
I wouldn’t class them as “industrial funk”, but for the record, Front 242 at the London Astoria in 1989 remains one of my all-time favourite gigs, absolutely rammed, an utter sweatbox, fantastic…
Isolationism / isolationist ambient: scary chill out music from mid 1990s as championed by Kevin Martin’ s Techno Animal as part of Virgin’s ambient anthology series. Think Aphex Twin’s Selected Ambient Works volume 2 or Disco Inferno. Too difficult to really take off, perhaps.
Indie Dance.
That period in the late 80s/early 90s when every indie band had to insist to the NME ‘we’ve always had a dance element to our music’. The likes of the Soup Dragons, Beloved, The Farm, even the Lilac Time did an indie dance single for God’s sake. And Chapterhouse cross-bred it with shoegaze. Does anyone still listen to this stuff any more, let alone talk about it? (Apart from the Lilac Time obvs).
I’ve recently been bulk-buying late 80s/early 90s 12″ singles for a quid a pop. Some of them still sound great (e.g. Soul II Soul), some of them have been forgotten for good reason, but the ones which sound fantastic now are the early Acid House stuff like Shannon, Inner City and Steve Silk Hurley. Jack Your Body somehow sounds better 30 years on.
Pub Rock – much good stuff, some not so good stuff, arguably adjacent to the aforementioned 70s Rock & Roll Revival. And the venues it spawned gave a ready-made circuit for Punk bands.
And a couple of prominent figures started Stiff Records
No longer happening as one so rarely finds a live band in a Pub.
(I have trouble finding decent beer in some Pubs, let alone a live band)
A Mickey Jupp live vid popped up on my YouTube feed recently. Utterly charming. Ropey sound, terrible lighting and crappy guitars. As said, charming.
It was either filmed in France or was made for French tv. He played a guitar solo. ‘I played that solo in French’ he deadpanned before continuing the song.
I must say lots of pubs have live music where I live – mostly covers bands, but some original stuff too. I have never thought of this as unusual – is it..?
Pub Rock was very much part of a return to basics movement and punk was part of the same thought process, although that has been mythologised to death.
There was an interesting 3 part documentary aired on Channel 5 last year. The “music” can go do one (yes, I am a rock snob) but the story of how it all happened was a good watch.
In Mark E. Smith’s autobiog “Renegade”, he has lots of (unironic) positive things to say about Pete Waterman, and conversely little about John Peel, go figure…
“Shamstep”, my computer says, is a Levantine genre of electronic dance music that combines the traditional forms of Dabke music with electronic instruments.
The term “doo wop” was first used in 1956 by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller, who wrote the song “Drip Drop” for The Coasters. The song featured a prominent “doo wop” backing vocal and helped popularize the term.
However,
Doo-wop wasn’t called doo-wop: it was simply called rhythm and blues. It wasn’t until 1961 that the term “doo-wop” emerged in the music genre in The Chicago Defender.
And rhythm’n’blues was what the Stones and Pretty Things played in the ‘60s. Positive r’n’b as the Who put it. So when and why did it become then become the name for tepid soul music?
There are now more posts in genrification than a picket fence: post rock, obviously, but post folk, post dub, post jazz seem all to be a thing. I am sure cardigan was once thing, so I await post card with eager anticipation.
Spotify come up with some new ones just via playlists. Sad indie for example. Quite a nice list actually despite sounding laughable. There’s so many of these creations they just get lost.
New Rave, if it hasn’t been mentioned. Klaxons, Late of the Pier etc – I was probably 5 years too old for it when it was popular. The Hitcher liked it though.
Yacht nonsense as I call it, but casts a much deeper wave in the US. I am sure some may be familiar with the Yacht or Nyacht site: https://www.yachtornyacht.com/
So many songs I have never heard of, even if by bands I have heard of.
On this subject I have just been talking to someone who has explained that the jazz in ‘jazz and blues’ is somewhat different than the jazz in, well, just jazz. Not sure if the blues is completely different as well.
This is the future.
NWOBHM will die in 2050!
NWOBHM will mever die … npt while my record collection exists
Long life my friend and hallowed be thy name!
Grebo
Electroclash
Drum ‘n’ Bass
Grebo I cannot even remember
mainly a brummy thing such as PWEI, NEDs Atomic Dustbin and The Wonderstuff, also
Crazyhead and Gaye Bykers on Acid
Also snuffled up Carter USM
Anyone in big shorts. See also: EMF, not Brummies (from Cinderford).
Drum and bass is absolutely still alive and well, its mutated into breakcore for example as loved by son where every track is less than 2 minutes and all the profiles are manga characters. Tokyo Pill would be a very good example of this.
Im so out of touch that “breakcore” as a genre had never registered – even though according to Wikipedia , its been around for decades. But I rather like this – and I like that it doesn’t outstay its welcome.
Yeah, I meant D’n’B has splintered into a thousand micro-genres, of which Breakcore is one.
I cannot listen to anything with a drumbeat like that
Greenhouse and hardboard were big in the 90s
The rather dismissive Handbag House always make me laugh.
DnB is having a massive revival and is some of the most popular live music out there. The Americans are getting into it, having largely missed it first time round.
NWOBRBWSABLTSFAOBC
aka New Wave Of British Rock Bands Who Sound A Bit Like The Stones Faces And Or Bad Company
featuring Quireboys, Dogs D’Amour, Thunder and Sweet Addiction
I have a couple of albums by Quireboys and Thunder but neither have been played in a long time and won’t be.
Dead to me already.
Funk-punk
Skiffle perhaps isn’t what it once was.
Listening wise, maybe.
Talking wise?
Once upon a time there was this gang of lads from Liverpool…
Have to admit that I have no real idea what Skiffle is, and I’m not sure I’ve ever knowingly heard it.
Billy Bragg’s book about Skiffle, subtitled “How Skiffle Changed The World” is genuinely terrific, and makes a good case for its superficially outrageous claim…
That book is terrific! He writes with passion and a deep knowledge… I learned a lot.
World musicee speaking
Zouk
Reggaeton
Other genres
Trip hop
Erm. Reggaeton is one of the mainstays of US & Latin pop, it sells millions. Bad Bunny, Rosalia, for example, being two massive stars.
But Heavy Metal will die alongside insects at the end of the world…
It will live that long
Romo … kinda lightweight synth pop
a scene promoted by Simon Price featuring such bands as Dex Dexter, Plastic Fantastic, Orlando and Sexus
I have revisited the Orlando album on Spotify … I rather liked it
I digitised the Melody Maker “Fiddling While Romo Burns” cassette recently and have been playing it fairly regularly, though I’m hardly shocked that none of the associated bands ever got anywhere…
how about Fraggle … bands of the ilk of Back to the Planet
Do New Romantics count or was that a movement rather than a genre.
Oi! Garry Bushell-helmed fag end of Punk.
Dead? A lot of the bands are still doing the rounds.
Not even Cherry Red has put together a Punk Pathetique retrospective.
… yet
Cowpunk. Very niche early eighties Camden scene, mainly The Boothill Foot Tappers.
Never sure what it actually was. Mentioned in the pages of Kerrang.
D*A*D – No Fuel Left For The Pilgrims has been played at least twice in the last 6 years. Maybe not dead, but doesn’t smell too good.
Rock.
A magnificently pithy comment, Tiggerlion.
And in many ways you are right. Our son, who is 22, is totally uninterested in any track featuring a guitar.
BUT……give it time. Even the deadest genre can rise again from the grave.
The Skiffle Revival starts here. here’s an excellent review.
Best book on skiffle?
The bit (200 pages!) in Lewisohn’s massive tome when the Quarrymen were doing it. Seriously, it’s the definite take on the subject.
Didn’t Bragg’s one repeat the oft-quoted and wrong line that skiffle came before rock ‘n’ roll? Might be mis-remembering it. Anyway, they went hand-in-hand.
Also, a doc he fronted made ‘Rock Island Line’ seem far more important than it actually was.
The pivotal Lonnie Donegan release was his ‘Showcase’ LP in December 56. ‘Rock Island Line’ charted in January 56… there are more cups in Tottenham’s trophy cabinet than there were skiffle groups in the U.K. by the end of 56, let alone the beginning of 56, and hardly any of them did ‘Rock Island Line’!
Oh, come on now, Deram – don’t knock the Anglo-Italian League Cup-Winners Cup of 1971/72.
I was going to add “rock” as an increasingly archaic life form, but @twang , who lives and breathes guitars, beat me to it.
There isn’t a lot of trad jazz around these days.
I have a trad jazz book coming out later this year…
Which reminds me, seeing you are a Duffy Power enthusiast, I see some sessions with him and Argent, the band, are being released. Is this anything you are familiar with?
I can’t deny it…
Tradabilly.
Dubstep. Couldn’t name a single track but I remember it being heavily championed by the ever cloth eared Mary Anne Hobbs.
Also by John Peel.
I love/loved Dubstep. It kind of got absorbed into a number of other genres/turned into a cartoon version of itself by the Americans, but every now and then it still throws up a gem.
I rather miss Crunk. Maybe it’ll come back at some stage.
Easy Listening! And I mean real “Easy Listening” music that had its own section in record shops back in the 60s. It was played on the radio station my parents listened to. These days if you search for “easy listening” you’ll get Carole King or Cat Stevens. No! THIS is easy listening…
People may not talk about it, but they’re still listening (speaking purely for myself)
Loungecore.
Still a thing in Japanese shopping muzak, believe it or not
A bit niche perhaps, but there’s a fair amount of Easy (from Geoff Love, Percy Faith, and the like) on Charity Shop Classics, every Sunday morning at 11am on AllFM and on Mixcloud. Although more likely to be genred (is that even a word?) “chazza tat”.
I like a bit of cheesy easy listening. I’d rather hear The Cliff Adam’s Singers than grindcore.
There are currently 501 episodes. Probably best to avoid shows 475 and 495, which have me guest hosting.
Crusty (a big part of early 90s Brighton)
New Wave of New Wave (e.g. S*M*A*S*H).
Actually, no music genre truly dies: Cherry Red will do a 3 CD clamshell boxset sometime soon.
As an outsider of the scenes (I’ve written before about how my university chum Vicky became a ‘Traveller’ after seeing the Levellers), I was never really able to tell the difference between Crusty and Fragglerock (as mentioned above by exilpj).
I went to the gigs, liked the music, bought the records (I still have a couple of Back To The Planet tapes somewhere) but thought that they all just needed to wash their hair.
There was an Irish version of that genre “Raggle Taggle”, that kind of followed the Waterboys move to Spiddal. The Frames were seen as part of it at the time but they’re better than that. I can’t remember any good songs that emerged from it but I think I had a Fatima Mansions t-shirt that had “Raggle Taggle, Nein Danke”, on it. They were a great band for t-shirts.
I can’t help you with Fragglerock (although I think the Terrahawks may have been one of theirs), but having lived in Brighton in the early 90s, I can help you with Crusty: basically, a bunch of poshos asking you for spare change on the Level.
Fraggle Rock was a muppet tv show wasn’t it?
Mega City 4, Senseless Things and Carter – that sounds about right – like Snub TV versions of Jesus Jones and EMF.
D.I.S.C.O. and indeed T.E.Q.U.E.S.
So alive and well as in this disco banger from last year
You don’t hear much psychobilly, raggle taggle, or grindie these days. And I speak as someone who was in the room when the NAM (or stool rock) and No Name were born. Bring back the Camden Lurch.
The Scene That Celebrates Itself.
Now that it’s an international phenom, people forget that “shoegaze” was coined as an insult. The Scene That Celebrates Itself were essentially all those shoegaze bands that hung out with each other at Syndrome.
Yes, one of the strangest gigs I ever did was just pre-Covid, the support act were a bunch of A-level students playing their own tunes in a shoegaze stylee. As I helped pack their gear away, I asked them who their influences were.
“Slowdive, mainly” came the reply.
“I used to see them play in my local pub” I said.
I instantly became the coolest soundman ever. For about 10 minutes, anyway.
I’m amazed you can still hear anything after Slowdive – they were rather loud the time I saw them. I think Shoegaze is having a bit of a second wind at the moment in the US.
Eh?
Have I had me tea yet…?
I too thought psychobilly was of it’s time and long since put out to graze.
but no … local venue is keeping the Punk and New Wave flag flying (see mention of Oi above), and it would appear that many psychobilly bands are still on the circuit (or at least willing to visit Reading)
Some might think neo-medieval folk rock is a somewhat lapsed genre. But no! Ritchie Blackmore is keeping that flame alight, silly clothes and everything.
and Hubes and I went to see Gryphon last year.
Neo-medieval folk rock is absolutely thriving in Germany. Bands like Faun, Feuerschwanz, d’Artagnan (“musketeer folk-rock”), Saltatio Mortis, etc., all seem to be doing very well. Some are more folky than rock-y, but there’s not an Arran sweater or warm ale to be seen, and they can often whip a German-speaking crowd in particular into a right proper frenzy.
Here are Faun (one of my faves) rocking a festival crowd with the thumping ‘Baldur’:
Prunk – Cardiacs, er, nobody else.
Hardbass.
Our kids absolutely love saying Hardbass with a comedy Polish accent.
Cheeki Breeki I V Damke! HARDBASS!
I’ve got one! I’ve got one! Power pop was huge for about twelve weeks in 1978, then it sank without trace.
“Power Pop” is now a catch-all term for any band with a Rickenbacker and a melody which was active between 1978 and 1979
(most of which had 1 big hit, a couple of smaller ones, before taking up residence in the “Where Are They Now?” file)
Erm … let’s see now … Rich Kids? I seem to recall that they were labelled Power Pop…
Yeah I don’t understand thinking power pop is dead, when it’s basically just guitar based pop musuc. Fountains Of Wayne fit the PP description to a tee, for example.
I know what you mean, I still listen to Power Pop, but Fountains of Wayne split in 2013.
Still, 12 years is last week in AW years.
True, I was just responding to the “ended in 1979” bit.
There must be bands still around who fit the description though, it’s never really died out as a genre.
Bubblegum
Hmmm…reading social media comments, invariably by boomers, would have you believe that everything – but EVERYTHING – produced by the raft of current population princesses is ‘bubblegum’.
Rock and Roll Revival – the whole thing from Wizzard through Showaddywaddy and eventually the Stray Cats. Probably about 10 years of wistful remembrance for something that maybe never happened. It dominated pop music at times and then went quiet for a bit. I think maybe Shakin’ Stevens was the end of it.
Don’t forget all the trad rock bands doing their rock’n roll melody encores; Queen, led Zeppelin, and, this one – THE DADDY
The early/mid 70s Rock & Roll revival was pretty pervasive – movies like “That’ll Be The Day” and “American Graffiti” were big hits and had mega-selling soundtrack albums, Sha-Na-Na were big for a while in the US, and you might well argue that Glam Rock was just Rock & Roll in new clothes, especially T Rex, Wizzard, G*ry Gl*tt*r, even Bowie… and in the shadow of the New Romantics, everyone forgets the mini 80s Rock & Roll comeback – not just the aforementioned Stray Cats & Shaky, but Matchbox, The Polecats and a few other “Cats” IIIRC…
Mott The Hoople were arguably in the general area too, the nostalgia thing was in some of their songs like ‘Saturday Gigs’ which is a yearning for a time that probably never happened. There was a sense that Rock and Roll had gone away, and that singing about that was the way forward.
Just checked up in 74 I went to see the Kinks at Leeds University supported by Bill Haley and his Comets. There were lots of revival Teds at it, I recognised one as someone I’d been at school with a few years younger than me. As someone wrote ” It was quite comical to watch all the teddy boys file out as Bill’s show ended”
There was the Rock n Roll revival show in London 72 I believe Dr Feelgood was a backing band for several of the acts.
I saw Chuck Berry in 76 and his backing band was the John Verity Band who later went on to play guitar for Argent.
I think Roger Hodgson of Supertramp was also once in one of Chuck Berry’s pick- up bands. Write your punchline here….
Chuck Berry was not at all a fussy employer of backing musicians.
… and also that those kids born between 1940-55 were grown up and wanted to relive their youths, if not as musicians then as fans… there may even have still been the last vestiges of the notion that Rock & Roll and pop music was a fad that would eventually die out…?
I was born in 1950, and I guess I was dimly aware of Rock n Roll as a kid – I listened to the radio a lot from 1959ish onwards (as an aside, I am in the middle of compiling a playlist library for a Gold radio station, and going through hundreds of tracks from, say, 1955 to 1979, has reminded me of when I started hearing stuff), but it was all just music and genres weren’t really referred to – maybe jazz and pop were about it. Some records I liked and some I didn’t.
In the 60s nostalgia wasn’t a thing, certainly not in my age group, although I remember a certain appreciation for some artists that had gone before, particularly Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry who were being covered, but you didn’t hear old music from the 50s…or even last year!….on the radio. There was far too much happening week to week, month to month. The term Rock n Roll came to mean old music, epitomised by Elvis. When the Stones were called the ‘Greatest Rock and Roll band in the world’ it seemed quite…well…odd, because Rock and Roll meant the 50s.
Sha Na Na in the Woodstock movie were the first hint to me that things were maybe changing, and I thought that was great – music was getting far too serious – and, as has been pointed out, that accelerated in the early 70s as a bit of a reaction, I think, to all that progressive rock in the album charts, although it blurred into that genre through Bowie and glam rock.
Keith liked to highlight the importance of the roll which he felt many overlooked.
I think he’s probably right, but – so what? This comment gets trotted out a lot just because that guy said it. It’s sort of rock orthodoxy like ‘…Tony Peluso’s fuzz-tone guitar solo on Goodbye To Love’
Sorry, that was a bit grumpy of me, I woke up in a bad mood today.
Was ‘Complaint Rock’ ever a real thing, or did I make it up? Counting Crows, Pearl Jam, etc. – you know the stuff.
I’ve never heard of it. Are “complaint songs” slightly more polite but slightly less effective than “protest songs”, I wonder?
I think probably they are complaining about personal things, like running out of toothpaste, or being unable to decide if to use Emmental or Feta on a mung bean salad.
That’s crazy! Feta, obviously.
You made it up and so did my wife. It’s the term she uses for yer Radioheads, Nirvanas and so on, whining on about how no one understands their pain.
If Bill Kirchen is the King of Dieselbilly, has anyone ever heard any of his courtiers?
https://www.nationaldayarchives.com/day/national-dieselbilly-day/
The original name of the NME, Accordion Times and Musical Express, suggests a world of music that has been forgotten. The instrument must have been popular if it had its own paper and even championships but from a cursory look on Google, I can’t see what kind of music was actually played – dance music of some kind I’d guess.
I remember reading that Gary Brooker’s father played steel guitar in the popular act Felix Mendelssohn’s Hawaiian Serenaders – another genre that was everywhere and then disappeared from the mainstream, in the UK anyway.
When my Dad was learning the guitar, in the early 50s, he got a magazine called BMG – Banjo Mandolin Guitar. It had a lot of sheet music transcriptions of popular tunes of the day, and the guitar was (at the time) the lowest priority of the three instruments. There were Spanish and Plectrum guitar pieces. I think there might be a couple of copies of it in the stuff that he left me, but I haven’t found them yet.
Acid Bhangra
Industrial Funk
Breakbeat
Go-Go
I’m sure there are sub-cultures thriving in all of the above but I don’t see them on my radar.
Ah yeah, Trouble Funk were sort of their own two genres – Go Go and Industrial Funk. I seem to remember Tackhead being somewhere in that general area. It was good stuff, but completely gone now.
Not sure about that @leffe-gin.
Trouble Funk were still in fine form only 6 years ago.
I’m glad to stand corrected! What a band!
@leffe-gin I was thinking of Tackhead when I said industrial Funk. One of my favourite live bands (as long as Bernard was off with the Stones). I remember early Ministry and bands like Front 242 getting lumped in as Industrial Funk. Lightweight pretenders!
I wouldn’t class them as “industrial funk”, but for the record, Front 242 at the London Astoria in 1989 remains one of my all-time favourite gigs, absolutely rammed, an utter sweatbox, fantastic…
Grunge.
Isolationism / isolationist ambient: scary chill out music from mid 1990s as championed by Kevin Martin’ s Techno Animal as part of Virgin’s ambient anthology series. Think Aphex Twin’s Selected Ambient Works volume 2 or Disco Inferno. Too difficult to really take off, perhaps.
Indie Dance.
That period in the late 80s/early 90s when every indie band had to insist to the NME ‘we’ve always had a dance element to our music’. The likes of the Soup Dragons, Beloved, The Farm, even the Lilac Time did an indie dance single for God’s sake. And Chapterhouse cross-bred it with shoegaze. Does anyone still listen to this stuff any more, let alone talk about it? (Apart from the Lilac Time obvs).
Wasn’t that called “Baggy” for a while?
Baggy was more sort of second-rung Happy Mondays – Northside being the epitome.
Handbaggy indie was very niche,
I’ve recently been bulk-buying late 80s/early 90s 12″ singles for a quid a pop. Some of them still sound great (e.g. Soul II Soul), some of them have been forgotten for good reason, but the ones which sound fantastic now are the early Acid House stuff like Shannon, Inner City and Steve Silk Hurley. Jack Your Body somehow sounds better 30 years on.
Shannon’s Let The Music Play is by my reckoning one of the best dance songs ever – it’s freestyle, isn’t it?
I’ve been known to whack “The Weekender” on when I’ve got quarter of an hour to kill.
The High. Were they baggy or just Madchester?
@fentonsteve?
I don’t think The High were even Madchester, they were more similar to The La’s than the Mondays. Perhaps that’s why they weren’t a hit.
I was there at the time (Madchester) and I don’t remember The High at all. I don’t really remember anything from that period though…
Pub Rock – much good stuff, some not so good stuff, arguably adjacent to the aforementioned 70s Rock & Roll Revival. And the venues it spawned gave a ready-made circuit for Punk bands.
And a couple of prominent figures started Stiff Records
No longer happening as one so rarely finds a live band in a Pub.
(I have trouble finding decent beer in some Pubs, let alone a live band)
A Mickey Jupp live vid popped up on my YouTube feed recently. Utterly charming. Ropey sound, terrible lighting and crappy guitars. As said, charming.
It was either filmed in France or was made for French tv. He played a guitar solo. ‘I played that solo in French’ he deadpanned before continuing the song.
I must say lots of pubs have live music where I live – mostly covers bands, but some original stuff too. I have never thought of this as unusual – is it..?
Pub Rock was very much part of a return to basics movement and punk was part of the same thought process, although that has been mythologised to death.
Yeah, pub rock was a really focussed onslaught. Of wildly disparate bands.
Hi energy- when I went to gay clubs as an impressionable teenager this was what was played
Stock Aitken & Waterman (mainly Pete Waterman as he seems do most of the talking) cite Hi-Energy as the template for The Hit Factory
Stock Aitken & Waterman another genre that noone talks about any more. Apart from just here.
There was an interesting 3 part documentary aired on Channel 5 last year. The “music” can go do one (yes, I am a rock snob) but the story of how it all happened was a good watch.
In Mark E. Smith’s autobiog “Renegade”, he has lots of (unironic) positive things to say about Pete Waterman, and conversely little about John Peel, go figure…
wasn’t it actually termed Hi-NRG
Any excuse to post this:
Shamstep
“Shamstep”, my computer says, is a Levantine genre of electronic dance music that combines the traditional forms of Dabke music with electronic instruments.
Psychobilly …. lets all go Stompin at the Klub foot with the Highliners
and King Kurt
how about Sophisti-pop
I could never really hear the difference between Sophisti-pop and Blue-Eyed Soul.
From the Hepster’s Nothing is Real.
I wish I could give you the joyous news that Swedish Dansband is dead…no such luck, unfortunately!
Classical?
Too long a thread now to check all the way through it for a mention, but Doowop appears to no longer be on the music map.
I did read that the term “Doo Wop” itself was a 70s invention coined by record label marketeers to sell re-releases; can anyone here confirm or deny?
The term “doo wop” was first used in 1956 by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller, who wrote the song “Drip Drop” for The Coasters. The song featured a prominent “doo wop” backing vocal and helped popularize the term.
I really like doo wop. I have two albums of “Doo Wop Classics”, both excellent.
However,
Doo-wop wasn’t called doo-wop: it was simply called rhythm and blues. It wasn’t until 1961 that the term “doo-wop” emerged in the music genre in The Chicago Defender.
The Rhino Doo-Wop box set is pretty much definitive if you can find a copy…
PS thanks to all for the confirmation that it was “Doo-wop” all along!
And rhythm’n’blues was what the Stones and Pretty Things played in the ‘60s. Positive r’n’b as the Who put it. So when and why did it become then become the name for tepid soul music?
How about sophisticated novelty folk* rock…..
*it’s got a fiddle on it, so must be folk
I think the horrendous Steeleye Span based their later crossover hits on Wimbledon’s volunteer bin army.
There are now more posts in genrification than a picket fence: post rock, obviously, but post folk, post dub, post jazz seem all to be a thing. I am sure cardigan was once thing, so I await post card with eager anticipation.
Post Gate – saggy old cloth cat mouse organ rock
Very good.
Test Card: Retro girl with Alice Band and creepy clown doll.
Post Egg – anything with Dave Stewart on it.
Posture – when Billy Currie reformed Ultravox
Very very good
Spotify come up with some new ones just via playlists. Sad indie for example. Quite a nice list actually despite sounding laughable. There’s so many of these creations they just get lost.
Woke Marxist Pope Core.
I have all of People’s Popemobile Liberation Front albums. ‘Fact Finding Mission’ is my favourite.
Schlagerbilly
Death Gospel
Surely people are making them up by now…
There was a cartoon in the NME in the 90s which came up with the idea of “Scratty”. It wasn’t revealed what Scratty actually was.
New Rave, if it hasn’t been mentioned. Klaxons, Late of the Pier etc – I was probably 5 years too old for it when it was popular. The Hitcher liked it though.
When a genre attracts the title “new” (or “Nu”) does this mean that the original form is automatically retitled “Old”
Yacht Rock, but then again, that never existed.
Yacht nonsense as I call it, but casts a much deeper wave in the US. I am sure some may be familiar with the Yacht or Nyacht site:
https://www.yachtornyacht.com/
So many songs I have never heard of, even if by bands I have heard of.
Well that went on longer than I thought it would.
Anyone like a jar of Corsair Hamster Jam?
I have three jars now.
On this subject I have just been talking to someone who has explained that the jazz in ‘jazz and blues’ is somewhat different than the jazz in, well, just jazz. Not sure if the blues is completely different as well.
A ray of sunlight shone upon my copy of Barafundle this morning. Nobody mentions Cool Cymru any more, do they?
Never knew it was called that. But Barafundle is gorgeous.
Perhaps a weekly-mag inspired ‘scene’ rather than a ‘genre’.
Gorky’s, Stereophonics, Catatonia, Manics, SFA. Pretty diverse. Bonus points for releasing something on Ankst.