I’ve listened to one of the rare live recordings of the great Hank Snow – and he comes across as a rather authoritative person – he’s constantly berating his audience »to behave« and »to listen«. His playing and singing of course is without fault, but he doesn’t seem to enjoy the concert situation.
I was reminded of a Beach Boys concert where the charming Mike Love informed the audience »to stop asking for your favourite songs! We’ve prepared the list of songs we will play before we came here, and we’ve been doing concerts since 1962 – we know what we’re doing!!« Thanks, Mike.
I’m sure you all can recall similar moments of advice from the stage… (anecdotes about Lou Reed will not be counted)
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Jaygee says
Worst example of a performer treating an audience at his show with utter contempt I can remember was the legendary jazz guitarist, Joe Pass, at Hong Kong Arts Festival back in the late 80s or early 90s.
The Ben Turpin/Meher Baba lookalike jazzmeister had obviously had a major falling out with the organizers of that year’s festival. The steam issuing from his ears indicating he was fresh from the contretemps, Mr. Pass-ed-Caring strode onto stage at the dot of 8:00pm.
He was, he announced curtly, contacted to play for precisely 35 minutes and that was exactly what we would be getting. He proceeded into a half-hearted rendition of a cut from Virtuoso. Once the song was finished, the grumpy guitarist advised his soon-to-be former fans that he only had 30 more minutes to go before lazily playing his next tune.
Between song interaction with the audience limited to speaking clock type announcements of how much time remained, Pass half-heartedly performed some ten or so songs and marched off stage without so much as a goodnight.
In a gig going career dating back half a century, I have never seen a less gracious or more unprofessional performer.
I have never played one of the man’s records in the 30-odd years since.
Moose the Mooche says
Aggro at a Joe Pass gig? It’s enough to wake some people up!
Junior Wells says
Time Passes slowly.
dai says
Totally support Mike Love on this point (and probably this point only), people shouting out for songs all night is extremely tiresome, worse if it is a quieter acoustic show. I have even heard some idiots shouting for a song that has already been played!
I have also heard some complaining about Van Morrison “He didn’t say a word to the audience all night”, if he sang great and the band played well then I don’t really care if he didn’t bother with any forced banter.
Moose the Mooche says
He regards himself, with some justification, as essentially a jazz musician. You don’t expect banter at jazz gigs, except maybe a band call at the end. If Van emits the very occasional “oh yeah” or “alright” you know he’s not just going through the motions and is really present, and this justifies a less is more approach.
On the other hand I saw Martin Stephenson about ten years ago and his chats were almost as good as the music.
I do not want to hear Mike Love speaking under any circumstances.
Mike_H says
A famous remark by Ronnie Scott (I think) which I’ve heard used by other artists:
Best used at or near the beginning of the gig.
“Feel free to shout requests, and we’ll just ignore them.”
Skirky says
As the recipient of many a “Play some Ed Sheeran!” entreaties in our local pub, our response remains “We’ll do one of his when he does one of ours”.
Jaygee says
@Skirky
Given his past form, he’s probably already “done” several of yours
Skirky says
Arf!
Hamlet says
Saw Van Morrison in 1997, and he seemed to be in a genuinely good mood. He was eating a burger, though, not playing a gig.
Bingo Little says
😂
pawsforthought says
Yeah, but how long did he take to eat it?
retropath2 says
He wouldn’t say.
Black Type says
Although as he got halfway through it, he did say “It’s too late to stop now”.
True story.
SteveT says
Totally agree @dai
Vulpes Vulpes says
Best stage based audience interaction I can recall hearing was when some twat lobbed a plastic pint glass onto the stage right in front of Malcolm and Bon three or four numbers into a stomping Accadacca gig I was privileged to attend. The thing bounced off the stage and somersaulted back past Phil Rudd’s ears over the drum riser. Angus cut the riffing, stomped to the microphone and loudly informed the rowdy element in the room something along the lines that if any idiot f***ers wanted to f***ing start that sort of f***ing nonsense, he and the boys would gladly meet them out the back after the gig and f***ing sort the f***ing c**ts out.
This got a mighty, mighty cheer and a roar of appreciation, Angus slotted right back into the riff and the gig just got better and better.
My ears subsequently took 3 days to recover. Charming in a deftly nip-it-in-the-bud fashion. Magnificent, in fact.
SteveT says
A Michael Chapman gig at Birmingham Town Hall.A photographer goes up to the front of the stage and is busy clicking.
Chapman says ‘look at this idiot trying to photograph music.
Vincent says
I saw Frank Zappa deal with a bottle thrown at a gig with a stern “no”:
He’s walked off, end of show for such stuff before.
Mike_H says
Frank even has a walk-off (after an ignored warning) documented on one of the “You Can’t Do That On Stage Anymore” live sets.
Twang says
I remember a review of the Heavy Metal Kids gig where a few bottles were thrown. Gary Holton picked a couple up and said “any more thrown bottles I’m going to start throwing them back, and let’s face it I can’t really miss”. No more bottlers.
Captain Darling says
The worst on-stage behaviour I’ve seen was from the late Joe Cocker at a charity gig.
The scene: a packed audience, many of them in their best bib and tucker, having forked over decent amounts for a good cause that now escapes me.
Then our hero staggers onto the stage, quite obviously profoundly drunk. He might have been the drunkest man I have ever seen still on his feet. He then treated us to “songs” that would have been unrecognisable were it not for his top-notch band, who played the tunes as they were meant to be played while Joe bellowed like a half-cut walrus over the top. If he ever hit the right key, it was more from luck than judgement.
It was many years ago and my memory is now shot to pieces, but I will always recall wondering whether the gig would climax with him falling off the stage and whether he would have even noticed.
I’d like to say he gave us a telling off like Mike Love, but IIRC he never spoke (and probably couldn’t have anyway).
Cheers, Joe.
Jaygee says
While I wasn’t there to see (or catch) him, Mick Taylor was so pie-eyed he famously fell off the stage at Hong Kong’s Jazz Club in the early 1990s
Vincent says
GG Allen was a charming performer, and I must say Sam Smith’s “sexy” cavortings would make me be glad to be in the cheap seats if I had to attend.
TrypF says
As years pass, I have more time for ‘grumpy’ performers calling out bad behaviour. My least favourite thing from a performer is over eager ‘sing the high bits for me’ microphone-pointing. No, you do it, we’re literally paying you to.
At a recent Thomas Walsh show – a small, seated venue – a member of the audience was so wall-eyed with alcohol that people were looking at each other nervously before the show began. Unfortunately for the drunk chap and his mortified friends, a) he was sat on the front row and b) this was a Thomas Walsh gig. Thomas is a cheery soul, but brooks no messing and I have seen him mercilessly mock transgressors, from people going for a wee (upon their return), to sound engineers who add effects he didn’t ask for. Our refreshed friend got a concerned, if funny, ticking off and a less-than-gentle suggestion to go outside for some air. Ten minutes later, our man got up and dashed to the toilet (just to the rear of the back row), leaving the door open and exposing us all to his porcelain-echoed calls for Huey, Ralph and, finally, Jesus. Thomas did an impromptu version of one of his songs retitled ‘Don’t do back on the lager’ and confessed he’d never seen someone quite so incapable at a show – and he’s a recovering alcoholic from Dublin.
Beezer says
Yes, the microphone pointing. Something that’s boiled my piss for years.
It’s always at the chorus or the best bit of the big hit, when you want the band to levitate. But no, the lead singer has to stop and point a hand mic at at thousands of non singers several yards away to let them ‘sing’ the bit you’ve all paid a lot of money to hear him do it.
And if he cups his hand to his ear in a ‘I can’t hear you’ gesture well then my joy is complete.
Stop stopping the fucking music for a crowd to kill it by bellowing for a while.
Bingo Little says
Counterpoint: Prince cupping his hand to his ear here, circa the 2 minute mark, is the best bit (which is high praise).
That said, he does at least lead the singing. It’s not like anyone else was in danger of hitting that note unaided.
Beezer says
Counter-counterpoint. I’m with you. But then Prince is exempt. For a plethora of reasons all distilling into ‘he was out of this world good at everything’
Bingo Little says
Good point, well made!
Black Celebration says
If you want to see a prime example of this, watch Lionel Richie at the Coronation concert. I really like the SYSMH but this was pretty much how it went down…
“Hey I know y’all like this one….
# I know it sounds funny but I just can’t stand the pain #
…oh yeah, you know it…c’mon!
# Girl I’m …# (mic to the audience) lemme hear ya! Woo!
#tomorroooow #
Wooh! We are all having a great time, huh? I know YOU are…(points and winks to audience).
#seems to me # ….(mic to audience again as the music continues) lemme hear ya! Woo!
Just sing the damn song under a spotlight at a piano.
Gary says
The first person I saw letting the crowd do the singing was Springsteen (Thunder Road, Wembley, sometime in the late 1900s). He was also the first person I saw do the “get a girl/woman up to dance” (Courtney Cox) and the first person I saw do the “get a kid up to play guitar” (or something) that seems pretty fash these days. I’m not saying he was the first person to do these things, mind. (I’m more likely showing my ignorance.)
thecheshirecat says
I guess you don’t do many folk gigs. It’s more a case of ‘We’ve paid good money to sing your choruses for you’. And the refrains. And the unbidden harmonies.
hubert rawlinson says
As further down there is mention of Billy Connolly and Jasper Carrot I’m reminded of another who started off in folk clubs, Fred Wedlock one of his lines involved accompanying the main act with ‘smoky bacon maracas and an e flat cash register’
retropath2 says
Arf, I’m at Celtic Connections, and the audience have been part of the band, night after night.
hubert rawlinson says
Just saw this on a Morris page on Facebook.
fortuneight says
I’d agree it can be lazy and become a cover for not being able to hit the high notes anymore. See Van Halen and the return of David Lee Roth. I saw Lynyrd Skynyrd in 2019 and when we finally got to “Freebird” it was mostly the crowd singing to a hat on a mic stand, as if the Ronnie Van Zant hadn’t already suffered enough. But at times the singalong element can work well – FLC’s “Scooby Snacks” springs to mind.
Zanti Misfit says
I was at that gig. It was me that stopped the fella coming back in.
TrypF says
Bless you for that, Zanti. There’s nothing like a pissed punter to ruin it for everybody.
seanioio says
I have detailed this on here before, but seeing Belle & Sebastian at the Ritz in Manchester many moons ago has always tempered my appreciation of the band somewhat.
There were a few technical issues (1st night of the tour), but Stuart Murdoch scolded a female member of the band (over the mic) & told her to ‘Sit Down’ in a manner which made me think he is a helmet of the highest order.
Opposite end of the spectrum would be Richard Hawley doing a acoustic show in New Mills. It was like being sat in his living room with him, he was warm, incredibly funny & I half expected him to offer me a cup of tea. It was a wonderful gig & just made me love him more.
Moose the Mooche says
I remember reading an (admittedly hostile) article about B and S years ago that said that Stuart Murdoch essentially regards the rest of the band as his children.
fentonsteve says
He’s on odd cove. Hospitalised at university with CFS, unable to work for years, colourblind, allergic to alcohol, “Christian with a big C”, and I might venture possibly a bit on the spectrum.
I rather like B&S, but I find them best appreciated in small doses.
Moose the Mooche says
I do like the fact that their first album was basically his coursework.
fentonsteve says
And his course tutor at the time was Alan Rankine.
He wrote B&S’ biggest hit on a night bus to Hampstead, while the rest of the band went to a party in a squat.
fentonsteve says
Maria McKee at Shepherd’s Bush Empire around the time of Life Is Sweet.
She came on late, eyeballs on stalks. Played one song, someone in the audience shouted “show us yer tits”, she took off her Telecaster and threw it at his head, then stormed off.
She did come back on, about half an hour later and played an absolute blinder. I missed the last train home. It was worth it.
The support (Goya Dress) were excellent, as well.
Bingo Little says
It isn’t onstage (apologies for going off-piste), but it’s so good that I’m going to post it anyway.
On the night Madonna gave her stunning performance of Like A Virgin at the VMAs (think it would have been 1984), Fred Schneider of the B-52s reported the following:
“I went to the awards when Madonna did “Like a Virgin,” and Cher was there. I was excited to meet Cher. But some punk comes up to her and says, “Hey, Cher, where’s Sonny?” And without missing a beat, Cher goes, “He’s home, fucking your mother.” That’s the sort of story you remember.”
What an absolute legend. Love Cher.
bobness says
Ooh. I saw Goya Dress supporting Aimee Mann once, they were very good indeed, enough for me to buy the album.
I was at the Garbage gig at Rock City not long ago, (checks, it was 2018) where Shirley apparently mixed painkillers and whisky during the show to the effect of her rambling all over the last couple of songs, especially Starman, by which time she was borderline incoherent. The band soldiered on…
fentonsteve says
Goya Dress were one of the few acts that Mrs F was as enthuasiastic about as I was, another being the frankly bonkers Morphine.
During my short-lived showbiz career at the end of the 90s, I became good pals with GD’s manager. GD main woman Astrid Williamson (from Shetland) went solo, and recorded a couple of solo albums under the name Astrid, which would not have been a problem… had a band from the Hebrides, called, um, Astrid, not released their first album at the same time. It all got very confusing.
Junior Wells says
A la Love, Don Fagen replied to a called out request at a Dan gig with “ we’ve been doing this for a while now and it seems to be going ok, so I think you should leave it to us” said with a somewhat contemptuous tone.
Keith Jarrett wouldnt come back on demanding absolute silence. I get the improvisational inspiration required but the seats were squeaky and it was peak hayfever season. We all sat there frozen.
Soul singer Renee Geyer after 2 songs was lying on the srage floor rambling to us. It was a show with a big band and at a top flight music recital hall ie expensive. Started to introduce but didn’t know/ forgot their names. After 30 minutes the show ended. People thought it was interval but nope folks – that’s all you are getting.
Vincent says
I’ve heard some artists say “we don’t do requests”. A good variant was by Jon Anderson when i saw Yes in 2001; “we get lots of requests, but we are going to carry on”. Very droll.
Captain Darling says
The Tull’s Ian Anderson to the audience: “What’s that? [Pause] Yes, we take requests. [Pause] Well, that’s lucky because it’s the only other one we know.” Cue Thick as a Brick…
Captain Darling says
Also: for many years after they retired it from their live sets, any waggish Marillion fan who requested early epic Grendel would be given a very abrupt response.
Gatz says
At a Thea Gilmore gig she listened patiently while people shouted requests for the encore then said, ‘Those are all excellent suggestions, but we’re going to play something we’ve rehearsed if that’s OK with you.’
Steve Walsh says
I think that may have been on the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe tour. Anderson followed it up at the Wembley gig by saying “Rick always makes me say that” which rings true.
Skirky says
I went off Tim Booth when he announced to a festival crowd gathered under an absolute tipping downpour that James were going to play a greatest hits set since we’d “…earned it”. I went off him even more a couple of years later when he chided the folks down the front for not greeting the fourth track in a row from the new album with sufficient enthusiasm by suggesting that if we’d all looked up the set list on the internet before attending we’d know not to shout for.
Leicester Bangs says
Tsk! I’ve seen James a number of times, and on each occasion Booth’s made a point of saying that they play a different set each night.
Twang says
It was the case that no one asked for requests for a while in the US as the response would always be “FREEEEBIRD” which is pretty funny actually.
Moose the Mooche says
“WHIPPING POST!!”
…members of the Academy of St Martin in the Fields looked askance
Lodestone of Wrongness says
One of those Summer Evening In A Country House Park concerts. Crowd had paid shedloads to sit there as the sun sets and picnic whilst waiting for Van Morrison. He comes on stage at 8.30 with that stupid little saxophone of his. Thirty five, forty tops, minutes of songs 95% of the crowd didn’t know. As Van is audibly telling one of the band to “Play in the right key, fucker!” somebody shouts out “Brown Eyed Girl” . Grumpy waves his stumpy little arms around and stomps off stage never to reappear. It takes at least half an hour for the crowd to realise he ain’t coming back.
Captain Darling says
I’ve never been a Van fan (man), but even if I was, I wouldn’t want to risk good money to see somebody so temperamental. Yes, he’s an artist, and I guess his audiences know what he’s like before they go to his shows, but in what other industry would you be allowed to behave like that?
I’ve seen artists do shortish shows, but 40 minutes? That would be the last money he’d have off me.
dai says
Not that I don’t believe you, but Van is contractually obliged to do 90 minutes. He even has or used to have a clock counting down from 90 to 0 so he knows when he can be whisked off in his limo
* And he nearly always plays Brown Eyes Girl unless he is doing some sort of themed concert like his recent skiffle gigs
Junior Wells says
That would be a recent thing both the duration and incl of BEG. Dont think it was the case in 80s and 90s.
dai says
For the 90 minute set, I think the case from mid 90s on at least when I was seeing him quite a lot. BEG started being played very often from 2000 on so you are right about that
Lodestone of Wrongness says
I can assure you he played for no more than 40 minutes tops which included at least ten minutes of berating the band.
I also saw him at the Hammersmith (early nineties). 50 minutes, not a word, walked off stage at least 5 times, no encore.
I also saw him twice in the Too Late To Stop Now era – probably best concerts of my life
dai says
Fair enough. I have seen him about 25 times since the early 80s and don’t recall any shows anywhere near that short in length. I have seen him do 75-80 minutes, but then he was doing 2 shows in one night, naturally I went to both (he repeated two songs in the 2nd show).
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/van-morrison/2000/cheltenham-town-hall-cheltenham-england-63f4f6e3.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/van-morrison/2000/cheltenham-town-hall-cheltenham-england-63f4f6f7.html
Jaygee says
He did very , very short (and short-tempered) shows on the UK tour for Wavelength in 1979.
Always better to see him indoors and in smaller, more intimate venues in my experience
Twang says
I saw him in 83 and he looked miserable as sin.
Jaygee says
I saw him on the Friday night of that year’s Dominion series of shows and it was up there with The Beach Boys at Wembley in June 75, Neil Young at Hammersmith Odeon in March 76 and Bruce S at Manchester Appollo in May 81 as one of the best concerts I have ever seen
Twang says
It was 5th March 1983 in Oxford according to Setlist.
Jaygee says
You pays your money and you takes your chances with Van.
When he’s good, there’s no one to touch him.
When he’s bad on the other hand…
Jaygee says
You pays your money and you takes your chances with Van.
When he’s good, there’s no one to touch him.
When he’s bad on the other hand…
dai says
Saw him 82 and 84 there, great shows! Especially 84 when he played half of Astral Weeks. incredible setlist
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/van-morrison/1984/dominion-theatre-london-england-2bc6600a.html
Black Celebration says
The comment about Martin Stephenson makes me think that as time goes by we will see more acts change from music to storytelling I think. After all, Billy Connolly and Jasper Carrot started as singers of songs but ended up just with the comedy. China Crisis frontman Gary Daly is naturally a very funny man, as is Robbie Williams. With Robbie, he can’t do the pop star thing forever. Let’s fast forward 10 years and he could easily be hosting “an evening with …” type shows and could have him telling funny stories about the old days. Perhaps 6 songs over 90 minutes, just a small band. Perhaps Roger Walters could give it a go?
Black Celebration says
*Waters
Rigid Digit says
There has been a marked increase in these type of Acoustic Story Telling shows (particularly by those towards the end of careers, where a nice sit down and a chat is the order of the day).
Seen Francis Rossi, Glen Matlock, and Dead Men Walking (Jame Burns, Segs & Ruffy from The Ruts, and Kirk Brandon) in recent times. All great nights.
Also saw John Lydon doing his spoken word tour – again an entertaining evening.
* all of the above I have seen in full on band mode, except Matlock, so it’s refreshing to see the character behind the stage persona
slotbadger says
The thing is Robbie Williams would need to change a lot for that to work – he’s too insecure and needy to have the self-awareness and balance needed to look back on a rather hair-raising career and package into a nice evening’s anecdotes and songs. Maybe in a few decades time.
I worked with him – via his ‘team’ – on a project the other year and, in our interactions, filtered through his team, he came across as being incredibly insecure, pompous and diva-ish.
Now, his dad, that’s another matter. There used to be a night in Berlin called Ein Hit ist Ein Hit, a sort of monthly pop themed cabaret. The night Robbie played Berlin, Guy Chambers and most of the backing band/crew came down for a wonderful evening, topped off by old man Williams doing his talent night pub act, ‘Sweet Caroline’ singalongs, cheeky bants, etc. Was amazing
DanP says
A subtle one, but a gig-killer nonetheless.
Smashing Pumpkins at Sydney’s Hordern Pavilion, post-peak fame years, but still rocking pretty hard and playing enough old to keep the crowd onside, but only just. After a particularly lukewarm response from the recent album, Billy asks the crowd “What? Would rather us play some INXS?” but he put the emphasis on “In-EX-cess”. To audible groans he followed with “I’m just trying to be nice”.
Gatz says
Most of you will be aware of Frankie Boyle and his combative stage manner. In his autobiography he wrote that success meant his shows sold out early, and that in turn meant that his new audience were the sort of people organised enough to plan for a night out several months ahead. He claimed to regret losing the more chaotic crowds he used to perform for.
He may have changed his mind since.
We went to see him at the Leicester Square Theatre last year. He was, and still is, on a tour of bigger theatres but included a run of couple of weeks there. After the support act and the interval the house lights dimmed, Frankie started his routine and someone close to our seats shouted something. It was something supportive like, ‘Go Frankie!’ but it put him completely off his stride. He spent the next couple of minutes berating the section of the audience the shout had come from. ‘Speak up then! You’ve obviously got something to say if you had to shout it out in the first line of my fucking act!!’
Not surprisingly that got no response and he carried on. Less than a minute later he said, ‘There will be a lot of politics in the show’, which was greeted with an appreciative whoop from near the back. Apparently that isn’t what he wanted to hear, because he ranted until the house lights came up, then stormed off stage shouting, ‘I’m might come back if we can get rid of all the CUNTS!!!’
A man I assumed to be Frankie’s manager told us he would try to get him back, which he eventually did, but not to call out during the act. It was all very odd for a comedian who has made his name through pushing his audience and interacting with them, and claimed to miss the rowdier crowds of his earlier career.
So remember, if you go to see Frankie Boyle don’t shout encouragement to him. He really doesn’t like it.
Junior Wells says
15 minutes of George Ivan Morrison
https://suncoastvanfans.blogspot.com/2013/09/a-run-in-with-van-morrison.html
deramdaze says
I’m very forgiving when it comes to a whole host of bar stewards in the music world.
Little Walter, Larry Williams, Phil Spector, Ike Turner, Brian Jones, Chuck Berry… somehow I can cut some slack for all of them.
However, Morrison really is surely the biggest piece of work there is and, while many would disagree, I don’t place him very high up the food chain in his chosen profession anyway.
Lodestone of Wrongness says
The first half of your last sentence is spot on. The second half is plainly bonkers.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Also, Morrison, a famously energetic performer giving of his all, was well known for repairing backstage (or behind a speaker stack) for refreshments, which explains his absences in the rather unperceptive and very uncharitable piece Junes links to. A glass of Lucozade, perhaps some Epsom Salts, and an invigorating neck rub soon “topped up the old batteries”!
Sitheref2409 says
Went to see Frightened Rabbit athe 930 club in Washington.
Scott Hutchison was a grumpy bastard all show. They played well, but he was being a bit of arse, to the point of deliberately pointing out that they weren’t going to play the usual show closer.
Next show, about 18 months later, he opened with an apology to the audience before being a great frontman for the whole show.
Junior Wells says
Steve Kilbey tells a great story about the Church, in their pomp, playing tough industrial Wollongong, Being a self important arsehole as he described himself , or something like that , he refused to play their number one hit, presumably Milky Way or Unguarded Moment. After they leave the stage a near riot ensues. Manager takes him by the scruff and instructs him to get the fuck back out there.
Kilbey, somewhat chastened, heads back out and plays the hit.
Cookieboy says
Homer Simpson calling out requests to Bachman Turner Overdrive
Cookieboy says
Cookieboy says
This actually got a loud cheer from the audience but one of the assembled throng would shudder if he remembers this exchange. I was watching The Johnny’s at the Prince of Wales in Melbourne and in mid song this tool climbed on the stage and stood directly in front of Spencer Jones as he sung. It must have been very unnerving to be forced to sing directly into this idiot’s eyes. When the song was over Spencer made a sweeping gesture towards the rest of the crowd and said, “I want to see all my friends out there…not you you shot-off pig’s head” He got down instantly.
Junior Wells says
Sounds like there was a showdown.
Captain Darling says
“Shot-off pig’s head” is a weirdly graphic and specific insult. Are shot-off pigs’ heads a common occurrence in Australia?
Cookieboy says
I’ve not heard it before or since. It’s so singular and brutal it stayed with me. Spencer was actually a Kiwi so that may explain it.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Most contempt for audience award goes to … may I have the envelope … Ray Davies! Early seventies show, when they basically didn’t have any memorable recent songs but played them all anyway, punctuated by “hilarious” false starts of You Really Got Me and Waterloo Sunset, met initially with huge cheers, only to get get choked a couple of bars in, Ray sneering at the audience. This trick got old pretty quickly, and met with boos and “fuck offs!” from the crowd. What an absolute twat.
Best audience interaction: John Martin, especially if you were in the front row.
Lodestone of Wrongness says
Especially if you spelt his name Wrong
Gary says
No, he’s right. J-O-H-N. I just checked.
Lodestone of Wrongness says
Missed out the silent p
duco01 says
Perhaps Saucecraft is referring to The Big Figure, drummer of top Canvey Island R&B merchants Dr Feelgood, whose real name is/was John Martin (and not John Martyn)?
H.P. Saucecraft says
Thank you duco indeed I was referring to the Cockernee sticksman. Amazing the lack of musical knowledge on display here.
Lodestone of Wrongness says
Same old (charming) liar, I see
fentonsteve says
A pedant writes: Canvey Island is about 35 miles from Bow. For the Big Figure to be born in earshot of Bow Bells, the residents of Stratford, Ilford, Romford, etc, would have all been deafened.
Moose the Mooche says
That would certainly explain all the shouting.
(Revealing my underlying assumption that everyone in the south east works on a market stall)
fentonsteve says
No income tax, no V.A.T.
Hamlet says
I’ve read a few of Stuart Maconie’s books, and he always comes across as a decent/balanced sort of cove. He’s rarely hysterical in his criticism of anyone…but he was pretty scathing about Ray Davies.
H.P. Saucecraft says
He should never have left the snooker table.
Martin Horsfield says
I know they were operating exactly on the cusp of when audiences went from sitting on the floor to standing up, but it’s surprising how many times bootlegs of The Who start with Pete Townshend telling the audience to “Sit down!”. I’m sure a few years later, he’s equally keen for them to get up.
Vincent says
A gig where one sits on the floor would be a freaking disaster these days, what with the parade of girths, dodgy knees, and lost body strength most of us have, and sometimes concurrently. Its hard enough to stand up from a theatre seat.
H.P. Saucecraft says
It’s a weird feeling, being the same age as old people.
Mike_H says
..or even older!
Moose the Mooche says
The Parade of Girths are okay, but I preferred them when they were The Column of Sveltes.
eddie g says
It all goes to reinforce my conviction that music is best experienced alone, in a room with my Rega and Marantz. My hi fi has never been prat yet.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Rega and Marantz are your Iron Curtain mail order brides, right?
eddie g says
I naturally applaud the gag but, seriously, I really can’t be arsed with gigs. I find that, generally, the people around me are far more ill-mannered than anyone I’ve ever seen onstage. I suppose most of my rock heroes were probably idiots and berks in ‘real’ life anyway and I don’t need that reinforced by public performance. I will, however, stretch to the occasional live album. Good sound, nobody yelling out next to me, no beer in plastic glasses, no suffering the ‘new stuff’ when all I want are 6 songs from their debut album. You get my drift.
Captain Darling says
After many years as a regular gig-goer, I largely feel the same. I haven’t been to a gig for maybe 2 years, and I can’t see myself going to one again any time soon. True, that’s partly for health reasons, but it’s also because it all feels like too much hassle: the difficulty getting hold of a ticket for a decent price, transport issues, and bad behaviour from those around me.
I have a short bucket list of acts I’d really like to see, but other than them I’m mostly happy to leave gigs to those who will appreciate them more. More power to them.
Junior Wells says
Just back from a gig, none of the above occurred and the artist appreciated the turnout.
Max the Dog says
I feel the same about most ‘big name’ gigs – initial interest that ‘so-and-so’ is playing in Dublin, then when I stop to think about it – the time and expense, the constant chatter from the audience and, if it’s seated, the multiple times someone is going to want to squeeze past with a few drinks from the bar and then disturb me again after twenty minutes so he/she can make their way to the toilets, with a genial “bet you’re sorry you sat in this row!” as they pass by as if there was something fucking amusing about it – in the end I will probably not bother. I’m a right ray of sunshine, amn’t I?
But I’m lucky to live near a good medium-sized venue and I’ve got three gigs coming up – Tim O’Brien and Jan Fabricius (with guests), John Spillane and then the wonderful Sara McQuaid – all gigs where I’m pretty confident the audience will be appreciative and respectful.
Mike_H says
There are certain types of rock acts who, through no fault of their own, probably, attract audiences that cannot behave themselves. If you don’t mind that, then off you go and enjoy your gig. If you object to that sort of behaviour then best not go. Either approach is fine.
There are of course people who, having got a drink or several in them, cannot behave no matter where they are. They are c**ts. Try to avoid them but recognise that’s not always possible.
eddie g says
I suppose the ‘bottom line’ is that, for me, it’s all about the records and I’m not particularly interested in seeing my favourite artists live. They never sound as good as the records. I have been to a few gigs in my time of course but I never felt that the experience added anything to my general appreciation of that particular artist or band. I always reckoned that an 80 quid ticket could be better spent on second hand vinyl or a nice re-issue.
Freddy Steady says
We do have some Fall fans on here, right?
Kid Dynamite says
I was at a festival some years back. The Fall were playing immediately before Foy Vance. When his set started, Mr Vance went immediately to the microphone and informed the crowd that “Mark E Smith is a fucking dickhead”. I would love to know what happened backstage in that half hour.
Moose the Mooche says
We know what happened. Mark E Smith happened.
Freddy Steady says
I’m minded to go on the Mighty Fall Facebook group (grüppe?) and ask about this. Someone will know.
But it’s a fierce place. My first post on it got an album tour date wrong and I’ve never really recovered.
Moose the Mooche says
I actually contributed to The Annotated Fall once. It was to inform people that The Premature Burial was going to be on TV that week… my contribution to the epic saga of the Spectre Vs Rector controversy, soon to be dramatised in 20 parts on Netflix.
“The Saga of the Spectre Vs Rector Saga”
I’ll probably be played by Eddie Marsan.
Junior Wells says
Well done @Fatima-Xberg a hamper. And I suspect this is the first thread earning a hamper where the creator of the thread has not commented since the opening post.
fatima Xberg says
Oh sorry, I wasn’t aware that I’m supposed to give the contributors a friendly pat on the back – I’m just enjoying the stories here…
But here’s another one from Mike Love: »Hey you dummy who just called out for Sloop John B – that was the first song we played tonight! What an idiot…« He then proceeded to advertise the local Trancendental Meditation center so we could all learn to relax and love one another.
Moose the Mooche says
You’re forgetting the legendary Bob Numbers flounce. I sincerely hope he didn’t look back in once he’d left. We were merciless.
NigelT says
The Looe Festival, with Bryan Ferry headlining. On the night in question, it was absolutely pissing it down – thankfully the stage was on the beach, so no mud, but everyone was soaked through by the time Ferry was due on stage. Understandably, due to the weather, there was a delay, but most people stuck with it and stayed. Eventually the man himself comes on…not a word to the bedraggled throng, no ‘thanks for waiting around’ or ‘hope you are all ok’…nada. The whole set was by the numbers, and then he pissed off back to his hotel.
Speaking of his hotel – I went in there the following day to ask about staying there for the next year’s festival and was told it was reserved for the artists. ‘Oh, did Bryan Ferry stay here then?’ An eye roll from the receptionist, who then vouchsafed that he insisted on not being spoken to, having his table in the restaurant screened off, and was generally a pain in the arse. We heard subsequently that there were other examples of his bumptiousness that weekend.
Mrs. T was so outraged that I can’t now play anything by him without her pulling a face and her commenting yet again on the whole unpleasant affair.
fitterstoke says
Could be worse for the hotel, I suppose…at least he wasn’t sacrificing live goats in his bedroom, or chucking furniture out the window, or vomiting in the swimming pool…
H.P. Saucecraft says
He is the Jeremy Irons of pop.
niallb says
16th June 1974, Guildford Civic Hall.
I wish I could find who the support act was as I assume it was them I went to see.
This was Silverhead’s first, (and last,) headline tour and their record company, Purple Records, had splashed a few quid on posters and interviews in the music-press. Lead singer, (and legend in his own lunchbox,) Michael Des Barres had given an interview to the NME where he had bad-mouthed anyone and everyone, taking pot-shots at many of my favourite bands. I took agin him, big time.
Let’s just say, the hype was on.
I remember going back into the hall from the bar, post support act, and wondering where everyone was. I swear there were less people in their seats than had been earlier.
We’d been called back in from the bar by the ten-minute and then the five-minute bells. Yet, fifteen minutes later, the lights were still up. There was no music playing over the p.a so we sat there in a mumbled silence. After twenty minutes, someone started a slow handclap. It picked up volume and a few voices sang, “Why are we waiting.” A few people went back to the bar, (or left.) A further five minutes passed and there were a few angry voices from the dwindling audience. By the time the lights went down I reckon the hall was less than half full.
A guy came onstage and grabbed the central mic-stand. He yelled some nonsense about ‘finally’, (yes, mate, finally,) ‘Guildford is ready,’ (what? It’s Guildford, mate,) ‘the greatest rock band in the world,) (oh, do fuck off,) ‘SILVERHEAD!!!’
Four shapes shuffled onto the darkened stage, (one of who I now know was Robbie Blunt, ex Bronco and later in Planty’s 80’s band,) and launched into a riffy rock number, (I believe it was Ace Supreme.)
After the bass and drums came in and they had gone round twice more, there were nervous glances to the wings. The musicians ‘went around’ again, and then again. Perhaps this was an instrumental? Finally a fifth shape appeared and a spotlight operator struggled to keep up with it as it rushed across the stage, then rushed back again.
Michael Des Barres had graced us with his presence.
He began to sing but his voice was so loud in the mix that he drowned out the band. Several people in the row in front of me put their hands over their ears, several others left.
The first song ended to muted applause as the guitars began the second number. MDB screamed into the mic again and I saw a couple of people waved away from the mixing desk as they protested about the volume. More people left.
MDB was now bare chested, eye-liner beginning to run as he tore around the stage. The second song finished to a few unenthusiastic claps.
The singer demanded that the house lights go up and the sudden illumination froze the scene in my brain.
Several people were heading for the exits. Several more were getting out of their seats. The place was a sea of empty seats, including the whole of the front row. The band started the third song and, with the lights still up, the singer jumped off the front of the stage. He climbed onto the arms of two of the front row flip-seats and began to berate the ‘crowd.’
“Where you going, fuckers?” “C’mon, fuckers, get on your feet and boogie!”
Several more people around me got up and left, their seats banging angrily as they got up. One guy stood in front of MDB, flicking the V’s at him before heading for the exit.
In time with the beat, Des Barres yelled “C***s”, “C***s”, “C***s”.
I left.
I discovered next day that the band had completed a 45-minute set to around 20 people. The gig made the Surrey Advertiser with the manager of the Civic Hall stating that the band would not be invited back.
He needn’t have worried. Silverhead split up three weeks later.
(My favourite rock film is not Spinal Tap but Still Crazy. I swear that there’s a bit of Des Barres in Bill Nighy’s brilliant portrayal of the singer, Ray Simms.)
fatima Xberg says
You’re really proud of your article, aren’t you? 😉
niallb says
Is that a problem?
Junior Wells says
Not at all Niall. Good anecdote. Wot a prick.
niallb says
🙏
Gardener says
One memorable gig moment from the early 90’s sticks in my mind, I was with a mate at a John Martyn gig in London being filmed for Scandinavian TV and we were right at the front, literally leaning on the stage. This being the olden days it was still OK to smoke in venues and knowing the headiness of the gig to come we had prepared several large spliffs for our personal pleasure. We lit up as John came on stage and merrily puffed away passing the joint back & forth between us, it was after about ten minutes into the show and John stops his song mid-way and gets up off his stool and walks over to us and to be honest we really thought he was going to be a bit pissed at us, but not at all. “Gimme that” he demanded, we meekly handed over the joint thinking uh oh this is being filmed we’re fucked. On the contrary, he goes back to his stool finishes the song puffing away on our spliff and when the song finished leaned back towards the audience leaning against the stage and passes it on to a chap standing a couple of feet away from us who also took a good few hits and then quite kindly handed it back to my friend who was standing nearest to him. I always hoped that there would still be footage of this somewhere out there but have never seen it and can only assume I wasn’t so stoned I dreamt the whole incident!
Junior Wells says
I have recounted previously about a friend waiting for a John Martyn show , smoking a spliff out front. Up pulls a taxi and this dishevelled pissed bloke falls out.
I was at the same show and it was perfectly satisfactory.
Hawkfall says
It strikes me reading these stories that the more serious, fashionable and critically acclaimed the artist is, the more likely you’re going to get some bad behaviour.
Thus why you never get this sort of thing at Heavy Metal gigs. You can’t imagine Brian Johnson or Rob Halford demanding that the audience shuts up and LISTENS or they’re going to cancel the show.