Miley Cyrus is riding high in the charts with Flowers, a break up song with an I Will Survive vibe. Apparently, it’s inspired by her divorce from Liam Helmsworth. For me, it rings hollow, especially on the video, in which she cavorts around a mansion by herself. Scantily clad, of course.
I’m sure The Afterword can come up with much better ones. What’s your favourite?
Gary says
I imagine young Bingo Little was out pretty late last night celebrating Rod Stewart’s and Matt Hancock’s combined generosity and isn’t yet conscious of this thread, so I feel it incumbent upon myself to point out that he elicited a fair few responses to this very question way back in November 2021, whenever that was. The most interesting answer he received back then was, I believe, ‘Blemish’ by David Sylvian.
Tiggerlion says
Oh dear. I’ll have to search the site before I post in future. Was Blemish your suggestion, by any chance, Gary?
Gary says
I have no way of knowing that without checking.
Tiggerlion says
Your memory must be as bad as mine.
salwarpe says
Is it 8 inches and floppy?
Tiggerlion says
8 inches? Now you are just showing off.
fentonsteve says
I’m more of a 3½-inch floppy man, myself.
davebigpicture says
Not a Zip Drive? Moose would be a Jazz drive, hurrr.
Moose the Mooche says
Somewhere to keep all my Rudy’s.
(One for the jazz tragics on here)
MC Escher says
Yeah Tiggerlion, do your research! Cuh!
I really like that Miley song BTW.
Tiggerlion says
Really?
I’ll give you the positive vibe, which is a good thing. But, it doesn’t really go anywhere. There’s no chorus as such. Certainly, no earworm (I’ve pretty much forgotten it already).
The video is distinctly odd. I enjoyed watching her shimmy up the hill in her gold dress. The bikini section starts off making sense. That’s what you wear when you go for a swim – well, some of us do. However, the calisthenics are out of place, don’t you think? carried out to display her toned, tattooed, body. Shower and change makes sense, but a suit with no shirt? Is that the fashion, these days, or did Liam disapprove and discouraged her from displaying her breasts? But more dancing, then a guillotine ending as though she’d run out of ideas.
It’s not a real banger.
mikethep says
Generous of her to share her pelvic floor exercises though.
Tiggerlion says
I prefer Mr Motivator’s work out tape. A much more comprehensive package delivered by a weirdo in spandex.
Moose the Mooche says
Objection! In what way is Mr Motivator a weirdo? His naked hands?
Tiggerlion says
Those vests! I bet he dresses like that when he nips to the shops.
Moose the Mooche says
Well, he takes his job seriously – motivating even on his days off. That’s a crime now? That bloke in the petrol station’s reawakened deltoids aren’t complaining.
davebigpicture says
I had you down as more of a Felicity Kendall’s Shape Up And Dance man Tiggs.
Moose the Mooche says
I’m certainly a fan of that album. Best listened to in the dark. Hurrrr
MC Escher says
Man looks for narrative arc in pop video… It’s just standard “look what you’re missing” fare
Locust says
Yep. Also, the “I Will Survive vibes” are very intentionally brought into the arrangement, and the lyrics are (besides the parts that refer directly to her past relationship) in dialogue with the lyrics of a Bruno Mars song (the name of which I have forgotten). So it’s not as hollow as a casual first listen might deem it – although I agree that it needs a kitchen sink-type crescendo for the last chorus, and possibly a great bridge before that, to become a top notch banger, but it’s at least 75% there IMO.
Miley without very many clothes? Were you expecting her dressed in a Victorian gown? Have you seen other videos of hers? 🙂
Tiggerlion says
Thanks for the insight. I didn’t twig the Bruno connection at all.
She looks far better in the gold lamé gown than she does in the bikini. IMO.
Gary says
Ever see her in Woody Allen’s ‘Crisis In Six Scenes’? I thought she was very good.
fitterstoke says
If I may venture: I don’t think that’s a bikini – too much tailored detail. I think it’s the underwear she happened to be wearing under the bacofoil.
Tiggerlion says
Are you some kind of expert?
fitterstoke says
Well…(demurs, blushing).
Tiggerlion says
Years of careful study, eh?
fitterstoke says
I would suggest that even a casual glance can spot the scalloping detail on the top edge of the cups: and the lace panels at the side of the cups, mirroring the lace panelling on the knickers – unusual to have that level of tailored detail on something designed as swimwear, I would have thought. Might be wrong, of course – I often am.
I’d better stop this now…that Godbluff, eh? Better than Red, eh?
Moose the Mooche says
Mmmmm…. scallops….
hubert rawlinson says
Purely for research and for no other reason I have found that scalloping is indeed used on swimwear.
Tiggerlion says
Swimwear is often designed to be displayed. It’s not just functional.
fitterstoke says
I wouldn’t let it lie…and now my theories are blown out of the water!
Moose the Mooche says
It’s not just functional..it is M &S functional
Tiggerlion says
Clearly, @fitterstoke, you have a lot more studying to do.
Diddley Farquar says
Yes I had my trunks specially modifiied with decorative piping. It certainly looks impressive.
hubert rawlinson says
“Piping” surely a foil wrapped cucumber would have sufficed. A la Derek Smalls
SteveT says
@Locust agree re the Victorian Gown. My daughter and her friends went to see her in Birmungham a few years back. She asked the girls in the crowd to get their boobs out.They duly obliged apparently – a treat for all of the guys in the audience.
Her video with David Byrne is worth a watch
Tiggerlion says
When I get a minute. I like David Byrne.
Tiggerlion says
Which video? The New Year’s Eve party?
MC Escher says
This is the original song referred to by Ms Cyrus. Warning: do not attempt to karaoke this, the bridge will kill you. Unless you know better @Bingo-Little ?
Young Bruno nails it.
Bingo Little says
That guy really does have pipes.
I have to confess that I’ve never sung this one. I’ve watched a mate do it though, and he managed to pull off the bridge, although it didn’t look easy.
But then, the spirit of karaoke asks not “can it be done”, but “how close can I get”. We climb the mountain because it is there.
Moose the Mooche says
Having cracked the boards in my youth, I can say that the scale of one’s ambition can be measured by the elevation of the onlookers’ eyebrows. If people dash for the exit, it is only because the emotional intensity has overwhelmed them. We’re all only human.
Bingo Little says
I’m with Escher – Flowers is great.
It’s not my favourite new thing though, because my favourite new thing is Hold Me Down by Elvis Depressedly (what a name!). It’s not really a break up song, more a please be there for me song, but I’ll post it here because it deserves to be heard, goddammit!
Lodestone of Wrongness says
I refuse to let Spoilsport Gary spoil the fun
Greatest breakup songs is:
(also known as “I got dumped by a girl from Norwich”).
Tiggerlion says
How lovely!
There are two types of break up song: I hate you and I’m so much better without you. Ryan’s is the former and Miley’s the latter.
fentonsteve says
A pedant writes: Beth Orton was from Dereham, which is closer to Swaffham or Fakenham than to Norwich.
She move to Dalston, in That London, when she was at secondary school.
Lodestone of Wrongness says
When my son knew her I think she was at Norwich High For Girls but, as usual, I may well be Wrong
fentonsteve says
She went back to Norwich for A-levels.
I know an unhealthy amount of Beth’s life story, what with her being a sleb Crohn’s sufferer. Turns out a diet of booze and Ecstasy wasn’t good for her. Who’d have thunk it? I’ve crossed it off my list now.
Lodestone of Wrongness says
Drugs, Rock n Roll and whatever the other thing was. I forget
Moose the Mooche says
Wordle?
mikethep says
Oh, come on now…
or
Tiggerlion says
The master.
fitterstoke says
Truly superb.
Carl says
Here is a lesser known one that resonates with me, even some forty years after the events.
Tiggerlion says
I always thought the first he knew about the breakup was the empty house. Listening again, though, I think the split happened some time before.
Junior Wells says
Blood On the Tracks came out around the time of my first big break up. I played it endlessly , which of course helped not one jot. But sometimes wallowing in your misery is what you are gonna do.
50 years later it still fucks me up.
Tiggerlion says
That whole album is a painful listen, especially if you relate to it closely.
Vulpes Vulpes says
THIS is the break-up album of all break-up albums, as well as being the Dylan album of all Dylan albums, and in the top five albums of all albums ever, ever, ever. Top 5 on the desert island, nudging In The Court Of The Crimson King just out of the crack cinq, and accompanied by Abbey Road, Caravanserai, Astral Weeks and Grassroots Of Dub in the Holy Handfull.
Jaygee says
Tiggerlion says
Wayne has a delicate way with words.
fortuneight says
I was in the crowd at Reading Festival 1978 when Wayne decided to give this a run out. Despite it only lasting about 3 minutes, the crowd’s preference was fairly clear. I’ve never seen so much mud fly through the air.
Tiggerlion says
They preferred mud-slinging to fucking off?
fortuneight says
They conveyed their preference through the medium of mud. Wayne didn’t take it well despite suggesting otherwise in the song.
Rigid Digit says
Post break up sex that helps you forget your ex
Tiggerlion says
That’s the best cure I’ve heard of so far.
salwarpe says
A ‘pleading not to break up’ song from the other Sylvia Syms
https://youtu.be/Lux9JBMdQAg
Tiggerlion says
Pre-break-up songs?
If this is about a couple, I think there are one or two red flags:
retropath2 says
David Ford has a nice line in this about all the plates left unsmashed……
Tiggerlion says
He has plenty of “nice” lines by the sound of it.
dai says
For No One – The Beatles
Tiggerlion says
An amazing song. It has been criticised for being emotionally and musically cold. However, the poor man is numb, dazed and bereft.
Moose the Mooche says
He’s BRITISH.
Tiggerlion says
Of course. Now, I can hear all that repressed emotion and Catholic upbringing.
slotbadger says
And 24 years old!
Bamber says
A characteristically chirpy take from Jonathan Richman…
Bamber says
I also love this gem from Lyle Lovett…
https://youtu.be/-01LHZlodDk
Twang says
Great choice.
Max the Dog says
Great indeed. A song I’ve only recently come to know…
Twang says
I got into it during a period when I was, shall we say, particularly susceptible to its charms.
Vincent says
40 years ago this May, I had the biggest breakup of my life. I was crassly dumped after 3 1/2 years. I was utterly heartbroken, and hadn’t even behaved badly. It was something to do with “feminism”, which sounded a crock at the time, and so it proved. After a week or two of grief, I consoled myself by catching up on casual student couplings that had been previously eschewed, and jumpstarted my sad neurotransmitters with regular psychedelic therapy. In no time I found being dumped was the kindest thing she ever did, though i still missed her (and still do). I could not have done what I did if we’d remained together, so i cannot complain. Even more pleasingly, she had a rotten time with the new boyfriend, and has had to live with her bad decision – dogshit that can never be scraped from a shoe. My prog side was in remission and a guilty secret, and I was more listening to Kid Creole and the Coconuts and The Cure at the time. Maybe this stark juxtaposition was too much for someone who at the time listened to Gilli Smythe. This track was playing at the moment of dumping (as it were):
Tiggerlion says
Guilty secret? You should have been shouting from the rooftops, declaring this album a true masterpiece. I certainly did.
fitterstoke says
I think the “prog side” was the guilty secret, unless I misread the above…
Vincent says
Correct. Liking prog was shameful in 1982 Goldsmiths. Though hippie girlies didn’t get the glory of kid creole and the coconuts, either. Their loss, he was brilliant. I was right. Gilli Smythe was bloody awful
davebigpicture says
Ben Folds Five: Song for the Dumped
fortuneight says
Apparently he had no signature tune, but then having recorded this, why would you need one?
And there’s always this
Jaygee says
Bizarrely have just spent the evening at the National Stadium watching Mary Chapin Carpenter playing with some traditional Irish tradiditional musicians
fitterstoke says
Fleetwood Mac: Silver Springs – sounds like a proper break-up song on this demo version
https://youtu.be/u5z3ejmv9YY
Vulpes Vulpes says
Miley sings a decent song, but I can do without the video. Almost 50% of the human race can relax when I confess that I find ink on a woman a huge turn off.
I just don’t like tattoo’d ladies (soz Rory). Any other chaps here feel the same way?
fentonsteve says
It can be extremely artistic, Foxy. But, much like Morris dancing, or Prog, or Death Metal, I don’t usually like it.
My 2 Tone loving pal has Walt Jabsco on her arm. It suits her.
Tiggerlion says
Depends on the tatt.
Despite being able to afford the best in the business, they don’t do Miley any favours, IMO. Look at her singing with David Byrne. Her legs are fantastic, with no visible tattoos, arms not so much.
mikethep says
I may be exaggerating slightly, but it seems to me that there’s barely a woman in northern NSW who isn’t tattooed. Especially when you consider the invisible ones (tattoos, not women). I saw a woman yesterday whose chunky pins were adorned with Dennis the Menace and Gnasher.
Uncle Mick says
Amsterdams Ian Prowse reflects on the end of the relationship with band mate Genevieve Mort…
Sewer Robot says
After the oppression of Christmas and the ominous shovelling sound conjured by the turning of a new year, the Miley record came as a welcome tonic. To paraphrase The Wild Reeds: the only thing that saves me are the songs I play baby!
This had yet to come out in 2021:
(Jessie Reyez – Mutual Friend)
hubert rawlinson says
Ne me quitte pas.
Vulpes Vulpes says
Quality. Class.
Tiggerlion says
Seconded.
Rigid Digit says
Penguin Cafe Orchestra – The Sound Of Someone You Love Who’s Going Away And It Doesn’t Matter
Gary says
When at first you left I thought I’d surely die
I couldn’t see a future without you by my side
We’re not together but I’m still alive
I’d rather not see you for a really long time
Funny how love is
Mike_H says
Could never abide Roland Gift’s voice.
Like someone had been trying to strangle him only minutes before.
fitterstoke says
While we’re on voices that Mike_H can’t abide – Peter Hammill, from the break-up album to end them all: Over. Could have picked any of the songs on that album, but this’ll do it.
nigelthebald says
Pretty sure I chose this one last time. If not, I’ll have words with myself.
“Forever doesn’t mean forever
It just means maybe some other time or place
But how can two souls still eat together
When life has lost its taste?”
dwightstrut says
Green On Red’s Here Come The Snakes was, IMHO, one of the all time great break up albums:
Jaygee says
GOAT among all break up songs
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jilted+john+top+of+the+pops
Moose the Mooche says
What is a paff?
Jaygee says
@Moose-the-Mooche
It’s a kind of pastry commonly used to make tarts
mikethep says
Time for an alternative view I think.
atcf says
The answer to this question is always Carole King.
Twang says
I’m past the depressing stuff – Fleetwood Mac’s ” Love that burns” used to be a favourite when I was a broken hearted teen. Last time I had the breakup blues, which thankfully is a long time ago, I was self aware enough to know there is something essentially self indulgent about it, and you need something like the musical equivalent of a pile of junk food or chocolate to really revel (a pile of Revels would do) in it. Back then for me it was Whitney. Specifically the B side of the “So emotional” 12″, nearly 7 minutes of Whitney blowing the roof off (well, it was outdoors so there was no roof) with a live version of “Didn’t we almost have it all”. Oh yes, we did. Nearly. Then we didn’t. Cue the song. Particular highlights are the way she sings “foreeeeeeeeever” at 2.34, and the whole bridge at 3.55. “Didn’t we have the best of times/when love was young and new”. Oh yes. Also no in-line auto tune, fake booty or bling. Just a cracking ballad and that voice. Even the shite 80s instrumentation sounds great.
Twang says
PS – in the same period you could have swapped out Whitney for this overblown beauty from EBTG.
MC Escher says
God, I love her🔥. Cheers Twang.
Twang says
Which? I love them both. TT more though.
MC Escher says
Witters 👌
ganglesprocket says
I can’t believe no one has posted “Woman” by the Anti Nowhere League.
retropath2 says
Obligatory
Tiggerlion says
I thought you were going to post the GOAT, inexplicably number three in Bingo Little’s chart. It is a truly amazing song, the little details heartbreaking. The singer knows how long, to the minute, the suffering has gone on for. The fancy restaurant. When Prince sings it, he can’t seem to take it seriously. There is a hysteria, a cartoon-like over-reaction to his delivery. Sinead brings out the magnificence of the song. She lives and breathes it as though it is about to overwhelm her. She renders it so perfectly, it becomes her song, and no-one else can match her.
retropath2 says
Except, perhaps, Little Jimmy?
Tiggerlion says
Not for me, sorry.
Jaygee says
Agreed.
Him and that Anthony (of the Johnsons) bloke have voices that drive me up the wall
Hamlet says
Agreed. If an alien drops in and asks you to “explain this thing called love, human”, this song crystallises it.
Bingo Little says
Nothing Compares 2 U is up there with the greatest vocals ever recorded, and is absolutely, bar none, unbeatable for pure melodrama.
But Ex-Factor is, let’s not forget, Ex-Factor.
The song has the holy trifecta: amazing lyrics, an outstanding vocal and an outrageous arrangement. Those drum rolls, that beautiful guitar solo on the outro, that chorus of heavenly voices. It’s at various points a Soul record, a Hip-hop record and a Reggae record. It samples the Wu Tang Clan, as well as Gladys Knight and the Pips covering Barbara Streisand. It’s utterly nuts.
I vaguely understand how Prince wrote Nothing Compares, and how Sinead sang it. It’s in line with some sort of creative process I can wrap my head round. I have no idea how you go about writing and producing Ex-Factor. Nothing else sounds like it,
and it’s raw as fuck (that “where were you, when I needed you” – oof).
Perhaps importantly at this level of the game, it’s also clear that Ex-Factor is one hundred percent a breakup song. Hill wrote those words regarding, and was actually singing about, a failing relationship, whereas Nothing Compares was quite possibly written about Prince’s housekeeper and then repurposed by Sinead to channel grief towards the loss of her mother. It’s splitting hairs, but up here in the musical stratosphere these tiny increments count.
Choosing between these songs is like picking a favourite child, because they’re both absolutely incredible in different ways. I will always go to bat for either of them. You can switch the order all you like, but there’s nothing inexplicable about Ex-Factor at number 1 for break up tunes. That song is the bomb.
Tiggerlion says
Ex-factor is stylish, sophisticated and very beautiful. Hill to “write songs that lyrically move me and have the integrity of reggae and the knock of hip-hop and the instrumentation of classic soul”. She certainly succeeded with Ex-factor.
However, Sinead moves me the most. Maybe, it’s because it is more than just about a simple relationship break up, the grief, the cleaner. Mainly, I think, because the arrangement is so simple, the power of the vocal is stunning. There are so many other distractions in Ex-factor. There’s an insect buzzing noise which I sometimes want to swat away. The multi-tracked voices swamp the lead at times.
Still, as you say, both are superb. Plus, your posts (and threads) are passionately well-articulated, I hesitate to argue the point. Besides, when all is said and done, with music this brilliant, the point is moot.
Bingo Little says
I’d never actually heard that quote from Hill before, but it makes total sense. You’d think it wouldn’t be that difficult to fuse those elements, but I can think of vanishingly few other songs that make it work.
I agree with you on Sinead’s vocal. It’s an absolute all-timer (on which note, heartbreak vocals are probably worth a thread of their own), and that “tell me baby, where did I go wro-oo-oo-ong” is spine tingling on every single listen.
I also agree that when music is this good it doesn’t really matter – they’re both sensational songs and I will never grow weary of listening to (or indeed attempting to sing) them.
duco01 says
About a year ago, a couple of Afterworders mentioned how brilliant Cathal Smyth’s album “A Comfortable Man” is. I took them at their word and bought it. It’s superb. And I suppose the whole record is a break-up album. But this is the track that really gets me…
Mike_H says
Haven’t noticed these ones in the thread yet.
A:) Breakup in progress and he’s resisting.
.
B:) Too late and he’s regretting.
Mike_H says
.. and then there’s the psychotic reaction songs.
Mike_H says
Big Band breakup?
fentonsteve says
Bill Withers – Hope She’ll Be Happier
Elvis Costello – I Hope You’re Happy Now.
I’m not sure Elvis really meant it.
Moose the Mooche says
He’s saying it like, “Well I hope you’re satisfied, Dr Neil Goebbels!”
Twang says
Enough sentimentality. Surely there’s a place for lust?
https://youtu.be/QoNlnxYupZc
seanioio says
In this thread @Tiggerlion comments as below;
There are two types of break up song: I hate you and I’m so much better without you.
I am here to argue that there is a third & it is the song that captures the slow decline of a relationship & the subdued end of one. For my money no band/artist captures this better than Frightened Rabbit. Poke is a beautiful yet harrowing & heartbreaking example.
Jaygee says
@seanioio
Tom T Hall’s Pamela Brown is. another one that may or may not falls into the better off without you camp
Not sure if it’s just me, but rather than “what she did FOR me” of TTH’s original, LK’s recorded version of the song sounds as if he sings “for what she did TO me” which – if my interpretation was correct – would totally change the entire meaning of the song
Remember seeing Leo Kottke play this live when he supported Jethro Tull at Manchester Apollo in early 77 and rushing out and buying a few of his albums over the years on the back of it. Stunning player and very droll between song patter “a voice like geese farts on a muggy day” indeed
Jaygee says
Two king-sized slices of angst with a ginormous order of cries on the side from that master of the form,Ol Possum.
The second was surely a huge influence on 10CC’s I’m not in Love
Bamber says
The sublime…
Bamber says
The ridiculous…
seanioio says
We have a winner! Bloody love this track.
I live 10 mins up the road from New Mills & we always use it’s full name ‘No frills, handy for the hills. That’s the way you spell New Mills’.
Gary says
My favourite break up lyric has to be:
Listen John, I love you, but there’s this bloke I fancy. I don’t want to two-time you, so this is the end for you and me.
Sincere and touching.
Jaygee says
@Gary
Already hailed as the break up song to end all break up songs further up the page, although the TOTP video sadly failed to link correctly
Moose the Mooche says
There are three different clips for the three different appearances. Yes three. We all remember the “mental chains” dancer but there’s so much else to enjoy – the guitarist who is one of them out of Daft Punk (appropriately enough), the guy at the back doing Noh theatre moves, the drummer clearly borrowed from a completely different group….and Graham’s hair is also quite beautiful.
Gary says
Just checked out the first clip and I see there’s a chap doing sign language for the deaf (to Graham’s right). It’s a nice idea, but he doesn’t seem very good at it, frankly. They should have hired a professional.
Moose the Mooche says
Worst Ian Curtis tribute ever.
Jaygee says
@Gary
Come again…
ClemFandango says
This.
Plenty of versions around but I love this one by Rainer Ptacek
Mike_H says
Prefer Willie Nelson’s unadorned version.
Jaygee says
@ClemFandango
Was just thinking about poor old Rainer the other day.
What a brilliant guitarist and interpreter of other people’s tunes he was and how sad he died so young.
ClemFandango says
@Jaygee
Yes, he was amazing wasn’t he. Way ahead of his time with looping rhythms and playing over them, and was the first person I’d heard playing behind the slide to get minor chords.
A lot of his albums seem to be unavailable on streaming or to buy, especially some of his later work which is a massive shame.
Jaygee says
@clemfandango
I’ve got most of them – including the tribute CD with the likes of Robert Plant if you’re missing any, C.
ClemFandango says
@jaygee
Thanks for the offer. I found out about Rainer when Alpaca Lips came out, so was able to backtrack through his earlier work and then get the posthumous releases as they came out, but it’s a real shame so much of it is unavailable apart from the odd tracks that people have put up on You Tube
The only CD I couldn’t get is the one with Calexico, but looking on Discogs it seems only 100 copies were released?