50+ years of service to rock music is infinitely more deserving of recognition than a Johnny come lately runner, cyclist, tennis player. I always feel these awards are handed out with unseemly haste to sportsmen/women who, more often than not, may have won an Olympic medal just weeks/months ago.
By that token Ray Davies should have been knighted in 1964, immediately after the release of You Really Got Me, one of the four most important/authentic/influential British rock singles of all time
(the other three are Cliff’s – Move It, Johnny Kidd & the Pirates – Shakin’ All Over and The Beatles – I Saw Her Standing There, in case you were wondering)
While I certainly wouldn’t quibble with your excellent list, JC, I feel I should point out that ISHST wasn’t released as a single (except as a b-side to the US release of I Want to Hold Your Hand).
As for honours, I’m fairly relaxed about them as long as they don’t go to criminals and scumbags. Judging by the fuss Paul Dacre is making about Posh Spice’s gong, he obviously feels he deserves one. That would make me unhappy.
He would have turned it down if he didn’t want it. Anyone nominated has the option to refuse, as journalist Lynn Faulds-Wood has done this time. David Bowie famously refused a knighthood.
This time of the year is where I completely contradict myself. I hate the honours system. It’s another example of the elite looking after the elite. I hate big corporations. I despise the awarding of gongs to cronies who have bankrolled political parties. I cannot stand the way that awards in ‘the arts’ are heavily weighed towards ‘the arts’ that the common man never comes into contact with, rather than the more popular choices (theatre actors, ballet choreographers, opera directors, etc). I hate that an Olympic medal seems to automatically lead to an award (hasn’t the fact that these people arrogantly feel that playing a game at the taxpayer’s cost – okay, or with lottery funding – should be their line of work, coupled with their sporting medal, been enough?). I despise the ridiculous awards like the one to Posh Spice. I hate the way any actress who can still get work beyond the age of 60 seems to get a damehood. And as for the awards given to the staff of a Prime Minister! And the worst thing is the part that Prof Phil Scraton has railed against, the link to the British Empire, as this is not something we should really be proud of. Awards should be for kids and for people who have done something to save lives or better the lives of the less fortunate.
So I absolutely dislike the honours system.
And yet I regularly defeat my own argument by complaining that a chap, Norman Rimmington, who has worked at Barnsley football club since joining as a player in 1945 (albeit with a couple of years at Hartlepool at the end of his playing days), fulfilling the roles of groundsman, coach, physio (in the days when the only qualification needed was the ability to carry a bucket), kit man and latterly in the laundry room, working right up into his 90s keeps getting overlooked. How can I keep saying the honours system should be scrapped, whilst complaining when someone I like doesn’t get one?
Anyway, this year, his 93rd year, he finally got something, a British Empire (tsch!) Medal for his services to sport and the local community. Sadly though, he passed away 2 days ago. We can take comfort in that he was informed of the award and humbly accepted the award before he died. Nonetheless, today’s game is going to be an emotional one. Even Mrs Wad is coming to the game to pay her respects. But it doesn’t half hack me off that people like Philip Green have been bullying and blustering their way around the corridors of power for years as a knight of the realm.
I agree 100% with the first half of your post, & I also fully understand the second half of your post & FWIIW, think that the rich/privileged in this country are blessed & rewarded enough.
Personally I think that if we must have an honours system, then there should be more recognition of people who do more than look good in a frock/ act as a senior politicians toady/ make people laugh (No offence, but why Ken Dodd & not Billy Connolly?).
He would have beeen luxuriating in plumptiousness 20 years ago without his small disagreement with HMRC. If anyone deserves it, Doddy does. A genuine legend. His new teeth look a bit odd though, considering the originals were one of his trademarks.
I agree with the sentiment that recognition should go to those who have really contributed to society or public life and made a positive difference. Take my wife…(no jokes please)…she has run the local Brownies for 20 plus years whilst working full time in a school, bringing up two kids, and putting up with me. The last of these probably deservs a damehood on its own, but her contribution to the local community has been monumental and totally unrecognised formally.
Looking at the full list of a 1,000 odd awards it session to me that 75 % odd of the awards go to people who have contributed in pretty much the way you describe. I suspect that whether or not someone nominates a person is a significant factor.
Yes, I nominated someone a few years ago. I got testimonials from a few people, filled in the form and sent it off. A mere 3 years later he got a BEM – why that and not an OBE, say, was not explained. But it blew his mind.
So yes, get the ball rolling with your wife if it really matters to you. It’s the only way non-celebs get them afaik.
She’s been running the local brownies for 20 years? Certainly impressive, but I really don’t think Her Madge should be handing out awards for pushing drugs..
Kinky Aristo?
Son, I’m 30
I only went with your mother ‘cos she’s dirty…
He was going to sing Victoria…then realised they wouldn’t have been amused
I bet Dave is burning a Union flag and/or his passport right now ….
Well done Ray, whether he wants it or not.
50+ years of service to rock music is infinitely more deserving of recognition than a Johnny come lately runner, cyclist, tennis player. I always feel these awards are handed out with unseemly haste to sportsmen/women who, more often than not, may have won an Olympic medal just weeks/months ago.
By that token Ray Davies should have been knighted in 1964, immediately after the release of You Really Got Me, one of the four most important/authentic/influential British rock singles of all time
(the other three are Cliff’s – Move It, Johnny Kidd & the Pirates – Shakin’ All Over and The Beatles – I Saw Her Standing There, in case you were wondering)
While I certainly wouldn’t quibble with your excellent list, JC, I feel I should point out that ISHST wasn’t released as a single (except as a b-side to the US release of I Want to Hold Your Hand).
As for honours, I’m fairly relaxed about them as long as they don’t go to criminals and scumbags. Judging by the fuss Paul Dacre is making about Posh Spice’s gong, he obviously feels he deserves one. That would make me unhappy.
Yes, you’re right Mike, apologies. I should have said “songs”, not “singles”.
He would have turned it down if he didn’t want it. Anyone nominated has the option to refuse, as journalist Lynn Faulds-Wood has done this time. David Bowie famously refused a knighthood.
Lynn Faulds Wood, Knife Slits Water, Paper Scissors Stone
AWISE SIR WAY!
Way acwoss the wiver?
Marty Wilde scored an MBE.
For services to toupee manufacturers, I’d imagine.
This time of the year is where I completely contradict myself. I hate the honours system. It’s another example of the elite looking after the elite. I hate big corporations. I despise the awarding of gongs to cronies who have bankrolled political parties. I cannot stand the way that awards in ‘the arts’ are heavily weighed towards ‘the arts’ that the common man never comes into contact with, rather than the more popular choices (theatre actors, ballet choreographers, opera directors, etc). I hate that an Olympic medal seems to automatically lead to an award (hasn’t the fact that these people arrogantly feel that playing a game at the taxpayer’s cost – okay, or with lottery funding – should be their line of work, coupled with their sporting medal, been enough?). I despise the ridiculous awards like the one to Posh Spice. I hate the way any actress who can still get work beyond the age of 60 seems to get a damehood. And as for the awards given to the staff of a Prime Minister! And the worst thing is the part that Prof Phil Scraton has railed against, the link to the British Empire, as this is not something we should really be proud of. Awards should be for kids and for people who have done something to save lives or better the lives of the less fortunate.
So I absolutely dislike the honours system.
And yet I regularly defeat my own argument by complaining that a chap, Norman Rimmington, who has worked at Barnsley football club since joining as a player in 1945 (albeit with a couple of years at Hartlepool at the end of his playing days), fulfilling the roles of groundsman, coach, physio (in the days when the only qualification needed was the ability to carry a bucket), kit man and latterly in the laundry room, working right up into his 90s keeps getting overlooked. How can I keep saying the honours system should be scrapped, whilst complaining when someone I like doesn’t get one?
Anyway, this year, his 93rd year, he finally got something, a British Empire (tsch!) Medal for his services to sport and the local community. Sadly though, he passed away 2 days ago. We can take comfort in that he was informed of the award and humbly accepted the award before he died. Nonetheless, today’s game is going to be an emotional one. Even Mrs Wad is coming to the game to pay her respects. But it doesn’t half hack me off that people like Philip Green have been bullying and blustering their way around the corridors of power for years as a knight of the realm.
I agree 100% with the first half of your post, & I also fully understand the second half of your post & FWIIW, think that the rich/privileged in this country are blessed & rewarded enough.
Personally I think that if we must have an honours system, then there should be more recognition of people who do more than look good in a frock/ act as a senior politicians toady/ make people laugh (No offence, but why Ken Dodd & not Billy Connolly?).
Time for camomile tea I think…
Billy Connolly already has a CBE.
Sir Ray of Muswell hill, Sir Cliff of glass top coffee tables & Sir Rod of wearing it well & yet no Sir Ringo – WTF?
He’s already the King of Bongo Bong.
We know a song about that…
My favourite version.
(Duck Baker)
Ringo will shortly be knighted for services to telling autograph seeking fans to go for fuck themselves
Arise, Sir Peace & Love.
Just noticed a typo in my earlier post. It should read:
“Ringo will shortly be knighted for services to telling autograph seeking fans to go AND fuck themselves”
And here he is signing on the dole with Russell Brand:
http://i.imgur.com/2eIE44r.jpg
Ray Davies to be knighted? There’ll be a Kink in his armour.
That made me LOLa
Ray Davies to be knighted? He’ll be King Gong!
I am utterly discomknockerated that no-one has mentioned the tattyfilarious knighthood for Ken Dodd (presumably for services to tax-dodging)
He would have beeen luxuriating in plumptiousness 20 years ago without his small disagreement with HMRC. If anyone deserves it, Doddy does. A genuine legend. His new teeth look a bit odd though, considering the originals were one of his trademarks.
It doesn’t alter the fact that Sir Ken Dodd’s paternal parent’s canine pet has expired.
They do, though – don’t they, though?
God save the George Cross and all those who were awarded them.
Most people with knighthoods, however, can fuck off.
I agree with the sentiment that recognition should go to those who have really contributed to society or public life and made a positive difference. Take my wife…(no jokes please)…she has run the local Brownies for 20 plus years whilst working full time in a school, bringing up two kids, and putting up with me. The last of these probably deservs a damehood on its own, but her contribution to the local community has been monumental and totally unrecognised formally.
You can always nominate her, you know. And get some friends to support you. The 25 year mark should be a decent milestone.
75-80% of the awards go to people like your wife rather than the already famous.
Looking at the full list of a 1,000 odd awards it session to me that 75 % odd of the awards go to people who have contributed in pretty much the way you describe. I suspect that whether or not someone nominates a person is a significant factor.
Sorry Trigger, we appear.to have written the same thing pretty much simultaneously. I didn’t just rip off your post – honest!
No worries 😀
I think you should apologise for calling him Trigger, though. 🙂
When Ernie picks himself up after falling through the bar I’m sure he will.
Congratulations, you’ve won the (UK) Afterword.
As to who won the ‘Strine Afterword, you’ll have to fight it out amongst yourselves.
Sorry, Twiggy.
Yes, I nominated someone a few years ago. I got testimonials from a few people, filled in the form and sent it off. A mere 3 years later he got a BEM – why that and not an OBE, say, was not explained. But it blew his mind.
So yes, get the ball rolling with your wife if it really matters to you. It’s the only way non-celebs get them afaik.
Aw…thanks everyone! I will do this!
But “…for services to NigelT” is going to raise a few eyebrows, surely?
She’s been running the local brownies for 20 years? Certainly impressive, but I really don’t think Her Madge should be handing out awards for pushing drugs..