I love Fleetwood Mac.
What I mean is that I love every incarnation of the band.
From my 11 year old stirrings, as my older brother played Greeny solos endlessly, through to the Rumours line – up, and beyond, I love it all.
But, if you were to threaten to nail my head to a coffee table, my favourite era is the ‘lost one.’
The Danny Kirwan one.
Bare Trees and Future Games are difficult to find on streaming sites but, in my opinion, they are 2 of the great albums. And they have, in Danny, some of the best English guitar playing of the 1970’s.
And yet, to many Mac fans, they might as well not exist.
When Danny was sacked, in 1972, he had been in the band for 4 years, through 3 different line-ups, and had an Olympic standard drinking problem.
He was 22 years old.
44 years later, I miss his guitar playing just as much as Greeny’s.
http://youtu.be/rLyn_GCxihY
niallb says
This is a good read:
http://observer.com/2015/11/for-your-reconsideration-danny-kirwan-the-sad-beautiful-ghost-of-fleetwood-mac/
Moose the Mooche says
I was listening to Rumours this week, a record I kind of love and hate at the same time. I needn’t explain why. But here’s the undeniably righteous incarnation of the band as a kind of palate-cleanser.
Gary says
I’m surprised you don’t mention Then Play On. I think it’s the best album of that era. And it opens with my favourite Kirwan track, Coming Your Way:
H.P. Saucecraft says
Oh, I dunno, Gar. From a band who gave us two of the most visceral, out-there singles of the age (Oh Well, Manalishi) Then Play On comes across a bit luke-warm, doesn’t it? The ham-sandwich production doesn’t help, but that moment when they start la-la’ing, and go on and on la-la’ing … Nah. It’s one of the biggest album disappointments of the sixties.
Moose the Mooche says
Say it quietly, Greeny’s Mac never did a truly properly great-all-the-way-through album.
Apart from, er, Fleetwood Mac’s Greatest Hits.
H.P. Saucecraft says
No, they didn’t, Moose. And that Greatest Hits album is, as you say, the closest they came to a proper album.
Johnny Concheroo says
And. bafflingly, that Greatest Hits album contains the track <I<Dragonfly, a non-album Kirwan song released as the follow-up single to The Green Manalishi and recorded after Green’s departure.
It wasn’t a hit, and features a strange effect on Kirwan’s guitar which makes it sound, frankly, out of tune.
ruff-diamond says
I love Dragonfly.
Moose the Mooche says
I kind of like it even though it’s the proverbial sore thumb on that GH. Out of tune stuff on good records? Check out the harpsichord on the Four Tops’ Carpenter – very avant garde. Or a fuck-up, if you prefer.
H.P. Saucecraft says
The problem was that they didn’t have an actual, proper, album’s worth of Greatest Hits, either. So they had to bulk it up somehow. I stripped Dragonfly out and slotted it into TPO. Those (real) Greatest Hits in full:
Albatross
Black Magic Woman
Man Of The World
Oh Well
Green Manalishi
… that’s a pretty thin album!
Johnny Concheroo says
Need Your Love So Bad is essential Mac too, I think,
H.P. Saucecraft says
Okeydokey. That goes in. So we have … half a vinly. Wupes.
Johnny Concheroo says
Then we have the killer album tracks like Stop Messin’ ‘Round
ruff-diamond says
You could put all Jeremy Spencer’s stuff on side 2. It would be like a 20 minute “Dust My Broom” megamix…
Johnny Concheroo says
Good thinking! Shake Your Moneymaker is about the best of Spencer’s Dust My Broom variations I think.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Jeremy Spencer is about as valuable as Jeremy Clarkson in terms of musical ability.
(Hey, Johnny – “killer album tracks” don’t usually get onto the Greatest Hits collections of acts who’ve had a decent amount of greatest hits. We’re already stretching the definition by including Need Your Love So Bad.)
Johnny Concheroo says
Instead of “Greatest Hits” let’s call it “Best Of”.
In which case killer album tracks (which are often re-evaluated later and found be as essential as the chart hits.
And Need Your Love So Bad charted twice in 1968 and 69, each with a different B-Side. Admittedly the highest it got was #31, but it’s still one of Mac’s finest moments.
We already had the short version here a week ago. Here’s the long version of Need Your Love So Bad which, instead of fading out as the guitar solo begins, carries on and On. It’s sublime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL87WE81Z1w
ianess says
Love that Burns is also wonderful. Oh Well Pt 2 takes up about a quarter of what would be the length of an album at that time.
niallb says
@Gary It’s a great album, no arguments. My point about Bare Trees and Future Games is that, having joined ‘The Beatles of the Blues’, Danny was left holding the bag. Greeny had gone. Then, after Kiln House, Jeremy disappeared. The two rocks that the band was built on. Gone. And this kid didn’t crumble. He blossomed. His melodic, lyrical playing, which I can hear in Mark Knopfler, Tim Renwick and Robbie McIntosh, just set a benchmark that has never been bettered.
He plays on some of the best British songs of all time. Green Manalishi, Oh Well, Man Of The World, DK is on all of them. But it was once Greeny & Jez had buggered off that Danny flew. Soared.
Gary says
You’ve made me curious to hear Bare Trees and Future Games again. That’ll be my Sunday soundtrack.
Wadsy says
Danny Kirwan. So much talent. Such a bloody shame!!
Johnny Concheroo says
Nice article, if a little heavy on the hyperbole. I could have done without stuff like “The vastly inferior Eric Clapton is barely fit to clean Green’s fish tanks with his tongue”. There wasn’t that much between them, even if we agree Green had a better touch.
Here’s Kirwan and Green going head to head on Like It This Way with Danny on vocals.
He breaks a string at 1.52 but keeps on going.
H.P. Saucecraft says
Why is it they never break that useless bottom E string? They could go on solo-ing as if nothing had happened.
Johnny Concheroo says
You’d need strong hands to break that bass E string.
Johnny Concheroo says
And let’s not forget Jigsaw Puzzle Blues a Danny Kirwan instrumental on the B-Side of Albatross
ganglesprocket says
I have no idea how I feel about Fleetwood Mac. Yes, I adore So What and The Green Manalishi, yes I have played Rumours and I don’t mind it. But even at this, they don’t actually move me. It’s like The Beautiful South. I don’t hate them, I don’t love them, I don’t even “meh” them. They’re fine. They have their moments. It’s odd. Fleetwood Mac turn me, an emotional Scot, into a bloodless public school boy…
Johnny Concheroo says
When you say “So What” do you mean “Oh Well”?
Moose the Mooche says
Peter Green playing “So What” is someat I would like to hear….
duco01 says
Yeah – and Miles Davis playing “Oh Well”…
Tiggerlion says
Try Tusk. You’ll either love it or hate it, sometimes from one track to the next. Me? I love it all.
Johnny Concheroo says
In 1969 the Peter Green line-up of Fleetwood Mac was the biggest charting act of the year in the UK with three huge hit singles. This was the first time the Beatles hadn’t won this since 1963.
Albatross #1 (released 1968 but still top of the charts in January 1969)
Man Of The World #2
Oh Well #2
dai says
Well ….
Get Back 1
The Ballad of J and Y 1
Something 4
And Abbey Road ….
Also
Give Peace a Chance 2
Cold Turkey 14
Johnny Concheroo says
I think it was based on points given for weeks in the chart. Fleetwood Mac defo came out on top ahead of the Fabs in 1969.
Johnny Concheroo says
I just did some research on this.
The Beatles spent 39 weeks in the UK charts with those three singes in 1969
Fleetwood Mac spent 59 weeks in the charts with their four hits (the three mentioned above, plus Need Your Love So Bad which charted lower)
And let’s not forget that Christine Perfect (as she was then) was twice voted Melody Maker female vocalist of the year in 1969/70. Mostly based on the one big Chicken Shack hit I’d Rather Go Blind.
Such was the power of the blues boom.
dai says
Yer Blues John. Well researched…
Tiggerlion says
Plus, the Fabs ripped off Albatross for Sun King.
Johnny Concheroo says
*nods sagely*
retropath2 says
Off topic, if the topic be Danny, but I watched FM live somewhere or someplace on the telly last night, the 4 piece imperfect (SWIDT!!) last but one line-up, about a decade ago. I had not realised what an utter dick was/is Lindsay Buckingham, all ego and ill-fitting trousers. OK he can play a bit of guitar and Lord, didn’t let us know it. I felt embarrassed for the other 3 who gamely pretended to be his backing band. Mind you, contrary to accepted “wisdom”, I think Tusk is shite, especially the song and the video.
H.P. Saucecraft says
That’s a very brave comment about Tusk, because I always thought it was shite, too, (especially the album and the songs and the videos) but have been too afraid to come out and say it. It’s a load off, I can tell you.
minibreakfast says
I once bought Tusk for 50p. I gave it plenty of chances but it never grew on me, so I chazza’d it. Shame, as it was was a beautiful package, and no-one appreciates a….(that’s enough, Ed.)
Fin59 says
Tusk is beautiful. If you leave it the girls.
The songs that McVie and Nicks contribute are redolent of loss and longing. About life and learning about the choices you make and the price you may pay.
Beautiful Child
Fleetwood Mac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjrtbPMONZk
Gary says
Another fan of Tusk here. I love all three songwriters’ contributions and the mix they create. So many good songs, it’s hard to pick a favourite. Sometimes it’s Storms (Nicks), sometimes Never Make Me Cry or Brown Eyes (Christine McVie). But I love the Buckingham tracks too. Half of Buckingham’s songs sound like they’re played using a toy guitar and a cardboard box. They have a real spontaneous feel to them (largely influenced by his love for The Clash’s Sandinista). Today my favourite is this gem:
Gary says
Camper Van Beethoven did a cover version of the entire album. It’s an interesting listen.
niallb says
Can’t even believe this is even a discussion!
Of course the album is flawed.
But it’s got Sara on it.
Of course Lindsay hijacked the album.
But it’s got Sara on it.
Of course the album is overblown and bloated.
BUT IT’S GOT SARA ON IT.
http://youtu.be/RHJb87nNsGY
Johnny Concheroo says
And nothing says too much money and cocaine like an overblown double LP with TWO (count ’em) inner sleeves for each record.
retropath2 says
Listened to it last night: the squeeze is a fan and bought the triple CD version with 128 versions of the title track. At least. Am overall inclined to agree that, minus Buckingham it becomes a decent EP, Christine Perfect/McVie again demonstrating that class will out.
And what is that Stevie Nicks track about? Or who? The groomee to the groomer. Eek.