50 years of Veedon Fleece
Damned with faint praise on release, VF has arguably gone on to establish itself as the richest and most satisfying of VTM’s peerless run of eight great albums from the late 60s mid-70s.
As it’s the only vinyl album I have ever managed to wear out not once but twice, I
certainly think so.
Sinead O’Connor would seem to agree, hailing it as: “the record I always come back to again and again…It is far superior to Astral Weeks and I love Astral Weeks. This is the definitive Van album with the definitive Van song, “Who Was That Masked Man”…It’s the most obvious album he’s ever done about Ireland…Veedon Fleece is the only thing I listen to just before I go on stage.”[35] When asked in an interview in 2005 to name something she considered “a mind-altering work of art”, she answered: “Van Morrison’s Veedon Fleece.”
Recorded following his divorce from Janet Planet and the end of an exhausting Too Late to Stop Now Tour – VF marked a suitably inspiring end to the first phase of Mr. M’s career. It was also the start of a lengthy fairly fallow period that wouldn’t end until Van began to get his groove back on 1979’s Into the Music and 1980’s criminally under-rated Common One.
Chock full of the imagery and ambience (That cover! Those words!) of an autumnal Ireland, VF remains the most Irish of all VTM’s albums – his collaboration with The Chieftans a decade and a half later included. Its 10 tracks are also amongst the most rarely played in his massive back catalogue.
Probably the best £2.99 I ever spent at Virgin Records Coventry
Jaygee says
2.37 of perfection
pencilsqueezer says
It’s my favourite Van album and in my ever so ‘umble opinion his finest. I was playing it only t’other day.
I was pondering over how certain albums seem for no apparent reason to have a seasonal vibe and VF certainly has an autumnal feel for me at least. There’s a thread topic in there somewhere.
duco01 says
Yes, I agree, I agree. His greatest work. An unqualified masterpiece.
“And we was contemplating Baba, William Blake and the Eternals
Goin’ down to the Sisters of Mercy
Looking for the Veedon Fleece…”
pencilsqueezer says
Home also to some of his bestest scat grunting.
dai says
It’s a great album, comes in about 5th for me though, doesn’t quite blow me away like a few others
Astral Weeks
St Dominic’s Preview
Moondance
Beautiful Vision
Veedon Fleece
Everygoodboydeservesfruita says
Then try again, Dai, and don’t come back until you get it right. Read the room.
Junior Wells says
VF by a clear head. You dont pull no punches but you don’t push the river
VF
ASTRAL
INTO THE MUSIC
ST DOMINICS
BEAUTIFUL VISION
RE fallow period 2 albums in 2.5 years. Transition , the jam recording and has its merits as well argued by HP some time ago. Wavelength had plenty of good songs but with the slimmed down buff Van on the cover it was just too slick.
dai says
Ooh yeah Into the Music too. This guy has too many great albums
Everygoodboydeservesfruita says
I think about the Punches title often. I am trying to find out how he has interpreted Taoism this way. I can’t find the source for the first half of the title. Who is the ‘you’? If he means ‘one’ then I can’t find support for the view.
Everygoodboydeservesfruita says
I think Wavelength has only a couple of Van worthy songs. But what a song Kingdom Hall is. Title track great. Natalia listenable fluff. What is the song about lost dreams and found dreams in America? I have always enjoyed that idea as a universal rather than personal remark.
MC Escher says
Wavelength is in my top 3 Van albums. It reminds me of a happy time and place.
Vulpes Vulpes says
It’s right up there at the very peak for me, too. I was with him all the way on vinyl, right up until the Hymns To The Silence album, which my wife bought for me probably as a hint to stop me raving about the man’s music. My CD purchasing era for Van, continuing to date, has covered a lot of great music, but nothing quite as mysteriously, thrillingly brilliant as this.
Martin Horsfield says
All this love for Beautiful Vision and none for Common One?
dai says
Yeah should be in my top 5 too, VF down to 6!
Leffe Gin says
It’s my favourite of his by quite a long margin. A very strange atmosphere throughout, makes you feel like you’re in another world.
NigelT says
Does anyone know why this is unavailable on CD..? I have been looking to get a copy for ages!
dai says
Van being Van, presumably
Jaygee says
He did issue a remastered version with two bonus tracks as part of his massive and swiftly curtailed reissue programme in about 2008
Interestingly, there seem to be very few VF outtakes or alternative versions on the various Philosophers’ Stone bootlegs that are out there
pencilsqueezer says
I have it on CD. I picked it up second-hand some time ago. Looking on Amazon there are a few available second-hand for around the £17 mark.
Vulpes Vulpes says
@NigelT – check your PM messages
Lodestone of Wrongness says
Best three opening tracks in the history of “our” music – it all falls away, IMHO, after that..
Junior Wells says
Falls away – sheesh !
“Fair Play” – 6:14
“Linden Arden Stole the Highlights” – 2:37
“Who Was That Masked Man” – 2:55
“Streets of Arklow” – 4:22
“You Don’t Pull No Punches, but You Don’t Push the River” – 8:51
Side two
“Bulbs” – 4:18
“Cul de Sac” – 5:51
“Comfort You” – 4:25
“Come Here My Love” – 2:21
“Country Fair” – 5:42
Lodestone of Wrongness says
I’ll repeat, after that magnificent unsurpassed brilliance of the first three tracks it just gets very very very good….
dai says
Side 1 of Moondance is as good as it gets
Junior Wells says
Cocktail jazz for the main Never warmed to it, Into The Mystic excepted.
dai says
Nonsense. Stoned Me, Crazy Love, Caravan ….
Junior Wells says
I realise I am in the minority. Maybe it is Moondance specifically that deserves that epithet. Heartily sick of that song. Some of the vocals sound too …. searches for word… precious perhaps. Crazy Love the main offender.
Of these tracks I only rate 1, 4 and 5. OOAA.
1. “And It Stoned Me” 4:30
2. “Moondance” 4:35
3. “Crazy Love” 2:34
4. “Caravan” 4:57
5. “Into the Mystic” 3:25
Side two
No. Title Length
1. “Come Running” 2:30
2. “These Dreams of You” 3:50
3. “Brand New Day” 5:09
4. “Everyone” 3:31
5. “Glad Tidings” 3:13
Everygoodboydeservesfruita says
Quietly, I think Brand New Day is dull, plain dull. But I think that about Almost Independence Day, too.
deramdaze says
So far this year, three anniversaries from 1974 have piqued my interest:
1. Bagpuss.
2. The Conversation.
3. Charly Records.
I’ve time for Dr. Feelgood, no doubt that’s coming soon.
For God sake, don’t tell anyone at Record Collector.
Lodestone of Wrongness says
Are you deliberately weird or just plain weird? (My wife sleeps alongside a lifesize Bagpuss, I can’t get a look in)
fitterstoke says
When you say “lifesize” – is that cat lifesize or human lifesize?
Lodestone of Wrongness says
A fat, cuddly enormous cat
hubert rawlinson says
But Mrs W loved him.
pencilsqueezer says
Are you sure it isn’t Pierre the village roué in a pink onesie?
Rigid Digit says
Better than Safe European Home, English Civil War and Tommy Gun at the front of Give Em Enough Rope?
And then back in VM land, the front 3 of St Dominics Preview is none too shabby
Lodestone of Wrongness says
All not shabby, indeed top top notch, but pale into insignificance re VF
kalamo says
It’s ages since I last heard it and a recent thread led me to check out the track listing; I had been quite surprised it was rated highly. Anyway I could only remember tracks 1,2 and 5; couldn’t recall anything from Side 2. I guess because I had it on vinyl and have lost it during various house moves, or maybe it’s not so accessible? Something like Into the Music has to be more listener friendly.
Podicle says
I put it just behind Astral Weeks, and it’s certainly the album that comes closest to it in feel, before the pipes and alto sax crept in later in the decade. The second side has a few simple pop songs, which is why some listeners get a bit sniffy about it, but positioned after the longer, exploratory songs on side 1 they are perfect.
Everygoodboydeservesfruita says
I don’t hear the pop songs… You mean ‘Bulbs’? That could have fit in Moondance, true but I don’t hear any thing else and I love Bulbs – its so fucking weird lyrically.
fitterstoke says
No bulbs in this house…
pencilsqueezer says
Strictly candle powered.
Feedback_File says
Way back , way way way back in the early 70s my brother in law (who’s house bizarrely I am staying in as I write this) lent me a huge pile of VM albums over one summer. I was at the time totally into prog and rock and thought very little of Van the Man. But I thought ok let’s see what the fuss is all about. VF was the one that stopped me cold – no idea why but something clicked and from that moment I was a fan.
Veedon Fleece remains for me his masterpiece and Dont Pull No Punches one of the finest pieces of recorded popular music ever made.
Leffe Gin says
Previous! Previous! Previous!
Everygoodboydeservesfruita says
Yeah Leffe – what is that stuff about about? Previous previous AND Candy Dulfer Candy Dulfer… Georgie Fame Georgie Fame” . What a weirdo…
Leffe Gin says
Don’t get me wrong, I sort of love him, despite everything. Hymns to the Silence and Enlightenment are a weird triple concept album about how hard-done-by he is, combined with radios being great, and some sort of mystical idea about noise being the reason people are unhappy. I can actually appreciate that. However he did seem to think he was a poet at this time, rather than a singer, and there were some odd things spoken.
fitterstoke says
I sort of don’t…
Leffe Gin says
Well he’s certainly marked his card in recent years. My take: he’s unwell.
Blue Boy says
Yes, a magnificent record and I’m maybe in a minority in loving side 2 as much as I love side 1. One of three albums along with Common One and Astral Weeks that have a very particular mix of specific time and place on the one hand and an open universal mystical atmosphere on the other. You can’t imagine anyone other than Morrison making those records.
Leffe Gin says
It’s also hard to imagine the current version of Van being the same person that made this stuff. He’s like a low quality Blues Brother in his hat and shades these days, with occasional flashes of something better. Orange Brother…?
Podicle says
With you on side 2.
See also Moondance and The Band.
Everygoodboydeservesfruita says
I think the album is so rich that for a long time you simply aren’t as able to consume County Fair etc. But there is no drop off at all – but Fair Play does so much in those opening chords and its the first thing you hear.
salwarpe says
Veedon Fleece and Common One for me. Beautiful music to lose myself in. With Avalon Sunset as the album Van was promoting when I first heard his music (Live at Glastonbury ’89).
Astral Weeks, like Marquee Moon, Pet Sounds and Forever Changes, being one of those albums that HAS to be loved as the best literally in the world ever, could never meet the expectations laid upon it on my first and subsequent listening. I really like music I discover for myself (and then find it is popular, maybe).
Everygoodboydeservesfruita says
I wrote a long love letter about Cul de Sac on these pages a few years ago… It’s trackable.
fitterstoke says
I think it deserves a link…
dai says
Here he is couple of days ago at the Robbie Robertson tribute concert (Robbie’s favourite Van song)
retropath2 says
Someone’s going to get a bollocking around whatever he thought was wrong with his guitar, judging by all the sideways black looks and fiddling about…..
Jaygee says
Good job Van didn’t require the gob iron his roadie had laid out for him
Blue Boy says
Indeed. But that’s terrific stuff – his voice really is still in spectacular shape. Thanks for posting @dai
dai says
Np @Blue-Boy was why I posted it. He attracts many snide comments here, but performing live it seems that he still has it, at least some of the time.
Jaygee says
In fairness, Dai, there are a lot of Van fans (myself included) who stuck with him well past the point at which his albums became increasingly bland and homogeneous.
The fact that I’ve been one of the more vocal of critics of Van’s more recent releases on here, does not detract from my love of his earlier albums up to and including The Healing Game.
I’ve also been quick to give the man credit when he has stepped outside of his cocktail lounge-styled comfort zone – his wonderful skiffle album and tour of early last year (which I reviewed very positively on this very board) being two examples.
Everygoodboydeservesfruita says
So much fiddling – “is it plugged in plugged in plugged in”
He looks like he’s lost some weight. He was complaining about his weight on some bad album project about 20 odd years ago.
retropath2 says
If he wasn’t against needles, I’d suggest Ozempic….
Henry Haddock says
Has anyone mentioned that the last 4 tracks all have titles beginning with the letter c?
Mike_H says
It’s a Conspiracy!
Jaygee says
@Henry_Haddock
Or that VF’s track listing begins and ends with the word “Fair”