Received wisdom has it that the sound of Be Here Now by Oasis was caused by many hours of studio overindulgence. The reality (thanks to the demos on the new re-issue) is that it was always supposed to sound that way, note for note in some cases.
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Mavis Diles says
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Uncle Wheaty says
I must have missed something along the way but what does an arrow pointing to the right mean in a blog post?
GCU Grey Area says
Some new posts quickly disappear off the Recently Updated, which appears on the right of the screen in a full size browser. The ———–> shows the post is to ‘bump’ the Original Post into visibility over yonder. Any text would do. . .
Uncle Wheaty says
Thank you.
minibreakfast says
Also, a new OP doesn’t appear over there —> until it’s received its first comment.
Moose the Mooche says
Public Enemy ushered in a new era of hip hop with their overtly political lyrics….
On a point of order, there is only one track on Public Enemy’s first album that is at all political (Rightstarter). Megablast deals fairly uncompromisingly with drugs, but White Lines had done that years before.
And most of the lyrics on their more famous second and third albums are really about how terribly hard it is being in Public Enemy, boo-hoo everyone hates us and no-one plays us on the radio etc.
If you want any kind of political manifesto from Chuck D, at least as he was in the 80s, you won’t get it from his records – you’ll get it from his interviews.
But god love ’em. That voice, those beats. Godddddd love ’em. PE ushered in a new era with the idea of being political and above all of the totality of their sound.
Mavis Diles says
Similar to The Clash; the idea of them doesn’t completely square with the contents of the records.
Vincent says
Punk kicked out progressive rock.
Which is why progressive bands were still selling records in large amounts, and filling fields and enormodomes until 1979, when it really WAS old and tired. But in reality, peak progressive was 1973/4. Punk was more a reaction to the crappy light entertainment pushed on “Top of the Child Molesters” and other playlist-controlled BBC media, which pretty much controlled what we listened to unless you could afford to buy music. Commercial radio was just as bad.
Punk was a reaction to Thatcher.
Punk was OVER by Thatcher. Jim Callaghan (Labour) was PM from 1976 to 1979.
Mavis Diles says
That’s a good one for sure. The Yes had top 10 records in 1977 after all, and Genesis started to have hits too.
Moose the Mooche says
Pink Floyd! Bleating and babbling they fell on punk’s neck with a scream.
The 70s ended with Pink Floyd at the top of the album charts (again) and, grinding the new wave’s face into the dirt, with the actual Christmas Number One Single at the same time.
“I hate Pink Floyd” said Johnny Rotten.
“Well we love them, you fucking rotter” said the world.
Mavis Diles says
Of course, Nick ‘fictitious sports’ Mason produced The Damned & enjoyed it (they wanted Syd).
garyt says
Oh, finally some sense about the punk wars. I was a punk, and it was more a reaction to ABBA, ELO, and all that glossy pop which was constantly on wunnerful radio 1 & TOTP. However, now that those acts are pop royalty, it falls on the poor old proggers to take the fall.
Rigid Digit says
John Lydon loved a bit of Prog – his favourites being Magma, Can, Captain Beefheart and Van der Graaf Generator.
The Damned (particularly Captain Sensible and (I think) Rat Scabies) had a big thing for Soft Machine, Syd Barrett and The Groundhogs.
And Steve Hillage was invited to play on stage with Sham 69 at the Reading Rock Festival 1978
Mike_H says
Free jazz saxophonist Lol Coxhill played several gigs with The Damned.
As for Magma, they were (possibly still are) wonderful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goUuuT6xQ0M
Moose the Mooche says
It goes further…. Lydon recently said that he likes some of Pink Floyd, making particular mention of Roger W’s lyrics.
Mavis Diles says
Lydon also loves classic disco; wider tastes than most.
Black Type says
I don’t think anyone has ever posited the notion that punk was a reaction to Thatcher…it’s generally seen as a reaction to the poverty (in all senses) of life in Britain in the mid-70s. Or a meringue?
Black Celebration says
I was only young at the time of punk but from a kid’s POV, the refreshing thing was that the new music was coming from a “real” place. Hearing the music that my older brother got hold of sounded nothing like what was on the radio or TOTP. Although there were some fine acts in the post-Beatles glam period, there was a giant amount of dross. The pluggers and the radio stations would give each other backhanders and promote groups of compliant but musically crap young men in the hope that they would be the next Bay City Rollers. Radio One was wall-to-wall shit in the 70s clogged up with sad also ran bands with long feather cut hair and those strange plastic collars favoured by best-of-the-bad-bunch Smokie. John Peel’s quirky little show became the only R1 outlet for new music sent in by bands themselves.
I think the punk bands resented being sidelined by bands like Kenny and Flintlock – the problem they had was with that system more than anything else. With Pink Floyd, ELO and Genesis they were established bands and there’s not a great deal you can do about that. I don’t think the radio played their stuff either. Not when there was money to be made from pluggers etc.
Black Type says
Surely the punk bands resented being bumped aside by Kenny?
As you were…
Sewer Robot says
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Black Celebration says
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Black Celebration says
Also, I hear something like this sometimes – “Margaret Thatcher’s Goverment was brought down after she introduced an unpopular poll tax that resulted in rioting on the streets.”
Not true. There were riots, but she didn’t give a monkeys about that. She was brought down by her own colleagues because she hurt Geoffrey Howe’s feelings.
Moose the Mooche says
….aaaaand we largely got signed up to the more unpopular aspects of EEC/EU membership because Mrs T didn’t entirely know what she was doing. And yet she remains the Eurosceptics’ favourite PM (so far).
Gatz says
And wasn’t it Thatcher as education minister who was responsible for shutting down most of the grammar schools, another Tory shibboleth?
Moose the Mooche says
I’m pretty sure that in 1972-3 Thatcher’s name was synonymous with comprehensives. And snatching milk – which is a bit unfair as it was still being foisted on primary school kids when I first started in 1978 (worse luck… yuk)
Gatz says
I got myself made milk monitor so I could miss my desk out passing the foul stuff around. When I remember Maggie Thatcher Milk Snatcher it reminds me that there is some good in everyone if you look hard enough.
Moose the Mooche says
….and another thing. She was very cool on sending the big boys in to the Falklands initially. History has it that Labour, which was to the left of Mao in those days and entirely pacifist to the point of inviting Brezhnev to march up the Mall and personally decapitate the Queen, threw everything they had at stopping the war.
Not so. In the emergency (Saturday) session of the Commons that took place after the invasion voices were raised on all sides of the house telling Thatch that we should be walloping these Fascist bastards just like we did in ’45. Even Michael Foot was open-minded about sending a task force.
Jackthebiscuit says
Recieved wisdom – Tony Blair & Gordon Brown were neck & neck in popularity (within the Labour party) in the immediate aftermath of the sudden death of John Smith in 1994.
Reality – Tony Blair would (& should) have wiped the floor with Gordon Brown in a leadership election & prevented the scheming against him that led to Brown becoming Labour leader unopposed in 2007 – something that has cost the party dearly since.
This is of course only a personal opinion & (Plenty of) OOAA.
Milkybarnick says
One I’m sure I’ve seen someone post on here or the old site is about Paul Shane murdering “You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling”
Received wisdom – he murdered it.
Reality – he was playing the part of a washed up singer in a stage show – and that was the version performed on stage.
I’m absolutely sure I’ve seen that mentioned on here. Can;t remember by whom though,,,
Moose the Mooche says
As he demonstrated with his appearance on Shooting Stars, the Shanester wasn’t averse to ripping the piss out of club-style singing a la Star Turn.
Moose the Mooche says
Often advanced by so-called tech/entertainment experts on BBC and ITN as if it is fact:
“Illegal downloading was a big problem for the music industry in the early 2000s, before iTunes came along and monetised the process. Now all young people cheerfully pay for their music and none of them illegally download anything”
Huge, hairy, swinging sweaty ones.
Johnny Concheroo says
But I thought home taping had already killed music years before? That’s what they told us, anyway. They had a skull and crossbones and everything.
http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt351/mojoworking01/Afterword/killing.jpg
Pessoa says
The Altamont Free concert was the sad, symbolic end of the sixties ( as cited in many popular histories or the BBC’s history of rock programme in the 1990s). December 31 1970 was the calendrical end of the sixties. The fading of the counterculture, or whatever you want to call it, I guess came sometime later.