…and assume that you were trolling/taking the piss.
…of the “Never Let Me Down is Bowie’s best album” variety.
Here’s one of mine:
Much as I like the Pixies, none of their albums give me as much pleasure as Frank Black’s Teenager of the Year.
Musings on the byways of popular culture
…and assume that you were trolling/taking the piss.
…of the “Never Let Me Down is Bowie’s best album” variety.
Here’s one of mine:
Much as I like the Pixies, none of their albums give me as much pleasure as Frank Black’s Teenager of the Year.
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Moose the Mooche says
“An abstract mouse”! Come on!
Lodestone of Wrongness says
By “most people” do you mean on here or out there? If it’s out there then my list is three hundred and thirty four pages long….
Moose the Mooche says
I think you will have to be exempted from serving on this thread, Lode.
DrJ says
I prefer solo Morrissey to the Smiths.
Locust says
Me too.
Bartleby says
Me three. Up to (and including about half of) Maladjusted.
Colin H says
‘Pin Ups’ is David Bowie’s best album (genuine belief held).
Gary says
Space Oddity is Bowie’s best album (genuine belief held).
Also, the two best albums of the 60’s were The Velvet Underground & Nico and Space Oddity. (The former was rock’s first ‘five-star’ album.)
Moose the Mooche says
I’m still waiting for Five Star’s first rock album.
Gary says
You made me chuckle there, Moose. Nice one.
Jackthebiscuit says
I have Pin ups in my top 5 Bowie albums. Utterly brilliant, love it to bits.
Franco says
Sigue Sigue Sputnik were brilliant.
Moose the Mooche says
It’s been alright to like SSS for a long time – though it clearly wasn’t when they were going. They’re like Abba in that regard (though, er, not in many others)
metal mickey says
Agreed on SSS – see also BowWowWow.
Plus:
“In Through The Out Door” is my favourite Zep album
“Do It Yourself” is better than “New Boots And Panties!!”
The Rutles’ “Let’s Be Natural” is better than its inspiration, the HJH’s “Dear Prudence”
Billybob Dylan says
“Do It Yourself” is better than “New Boots And Panties!!”
Gor blimey! I almost fell over on me Aris in genuine shock and incredulity at that one.
Moose the Mooche says
Nock me dahn wiv a fevvah!
TrypF says
Supertramp knock Steely Dan into a cocked hat.
Bartleby says
How is this even controversial?!
count jim moriarty says
Because it is wrong.
Skirky says
I prefer Fairport Convention without Sandy Denny.
Gatz says
[Audible intake of breath] Of the two things that have surprised me since I got back to my desk from a meeting a few minutes ago, the other being the call for a snap general election, this is by far the greater shock.
Skirky says
Curiously, I don’t get invited to expound on that tenet as often as you’d think…
Black Type says
‘Around The Sun’ is a fine late-period REM album.
minibreakfast says
I picked up a secondhand copy of Around The Sun a while ago and it’s a fine album. I can’t hear what it is that’s meant to be so crap.
metal mickey says
The only thing “crap” about ATS is that is happened to be REM’s 13th album and doesn’t especially add to the 12 that came before it… empirically it’s a perfectly fine set of songs. In fact, if you gave all of REM’s albums randomly to someone who’d never heard them before, tipp-exed out the recording dates, and asked them to rate them, I think the later ones would stack up pretty well… Accelerate is one of my most-played REM albums, for what it’s worth…
deramdaze says
Jimi Hendrix’s greatest strength was as a vocalist.
Arthur Cowslip says
Splutter… Followed by a long, cold stare of credulity.
Deviant808 says
Everyone assumes I’m not being serious when I try to explain how much I love Girls Aloud.
Similarly in reverse, I usually get baffled looks when I mention how much I dislike Radiohead and the Manics.
“But I’d have thought they were just your sort of thing…”
Arthur Cowslip says
Here’s an argument I had with a friend who also loves Girls Aloud…. I love them as well but….
I love their SONGS. I think they had a great run of singles, but I think that was almost entirely due to the talents of the songwriters and image makers behind the scenes.
So, simply put, I think that (within reason) any five young girls with some singing ability could have been Girls Aloud. I don’t think it had to be THOSE five girls.
So I love them but I don’t love THEM.
My friend vehemently disagreed and insisted the band themselves, those individuals, were something special.
Agree? Disagree?
fentonsteve says
Hepburn were loads better than Girls Aloud.
Sitheref2409 says
You watch. He’ll quit.
fentonsteve says
Very good. Have an up.
metal mickey says
I’m with you Arthur, much as I like(d) GA, in real terms they could have been anyone (though I did have a soft spot for Nicola Roberts, just because she was such an unlikely pop star…)
Perhaps more controversially, I think exactly the same about Kylie Minogue – there isn’t a vaguely competent singer in the world who wouldn’t have had a massive hit with “Can’t Get You Out Of My Head” (for instance), even if the video hadn’t been quite as alluring…
Tiggerlion says
For some inexplicable reason, both you and minibreakfast find my overwhelmingly positive opinion of Hejira perverse.
Moose the Mooche says
It’s the wrong type of positivity, dude.
retropath2 says
It is time for a Chumbawamba reunion tour.
Kid Dynamite says
Agreed!
Kid Dynamite says
It is not necessary to listen to The Beatles.
Loaded is the best Velvet Underground album.
Gravel Pit is an excellent track
Tiggerlion says
I agree on Loaded
Obscured By Clouds is Pink Floyd’s only really good album.
minibreakfast says
Wait, who doesn’t like Gravel Pit?
Kid Dynamite says
My colleague Tim for a start
minibreakfast says
Tim can do one.
Perhaps you could add Gravel Pit to the thread “Opinions you genuinely hold about music that Tim would find perverse…”
count jim moriarty says
I’ve never heard of ‘Gravel Pit’.
Bingo Little says
That seems a shame, Jim, as it’s almost certainly right up your strasse…
count jim moriarty says
Surely you jest, my dear Bingo. As you well know, I’d saw my leg off with a rusty saw before I’d click on that link…
Bingo Little says
Motherfucker, I never jest about the Wu.
count jim moriarty says
These naughty boys appear to be having a detremental effect on your language, old boy. My mother would wash your mouth out with carbolic soap and send you to your room with no dinner…
Bingo Little says
You really don’t want to bring Yo Mama into this.
count jim moriarty says
Hush your potty mouth then, dear fellow.
Bingo Little says
Arthur Cowslip says
That first point needs some explanation before I decide whether or not to hang you for trolling. Do you mean it’s not necessary to go out and actively seek Beatle music because it’s everywhere anyway? Or are you somehow trying to imply they’re not an important part of rock and roll history?
One of those viewpoints I have a very slight amount of sympathy with…
Kid Dynamite says
It is closer to the first. The Beatles’ music is so ingrained in popular culture that I, who would be the last person to call myself a Beatles fan, could probably sing* you fifty or so of their songs. I know very little about, say, Coronation Street, but I know a lot about The Beatles, and I’ve not even particularly sought that knowledge out. It’s just there, in the air. Because of this, I just don’t feel the need to ever sit down and listen to a Beatles record.
Lest that come off as too reasoned, I should also say that, yes, I know they were the springboard for popular music as we know it, but I don’t read my Janet and John books much these days, dig?
*You wouldn’t want me to, though. It’d be horrendous.
Locust says
Disco is the best musical genre ever invented. And that includes everything from the hardcore club remixes that never bothered any charts to the novelty singles by random celebrities and money-grabbing producers which unfortunately contributed to the demise of the genre. It’s all good! 🙂
Hawkfall says
Oh thank God, I thought I was the only person who thought this. It’s true though isn’t it? From Philadelphia International to Giorgio Moroder, Disco is the genre that has aged better than any other.
While I’m here, can I just say that I prefer Ami Stewart’s version of Knock on Wood to Eddie Floyd’s? Go Disco!
Locust says
Yup. She also vastly improved “Light My Fire”.
duco01 says
Hmmm. I hope no one’s going to suggest that Massive Attack vastly improved “Light My Fire” with that live version tacked onto the end of ‘Protection’. Now that really would be perverse…
Moose the Mooche says
…. the Jackie Wilson version it’s based on is pretty damned good.
metal mickey says
I’m forever amazed that no-one’s (apparently) thought to cover Amii’s arrangement of Knock On Wood, I’m sure it would be an instant hit for some young pop foxtress…
Locust says
Not a young pop foxtress, but rather some anonymous EDM group (I’m guessing here) called Interphace made a rather nifty version in the early noughties, I don’t know how much of a “hit” it was, but big enough to end up on a few dance music compilations anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7pww-qnew
MC Escher says
I thought everyone accepted this as a matter of basic first principles.
Bingo Little says
Supporting music acts as if they’re football teams is weird. As is slavishly defending individual musicians against personal criticism because they wrote a tune you once copped a feel to 30 years ago.
Most of the music we venerate was written by bored/stoned teenagers and twenty somethings and is about as profound/”important” as toilet wall graffiti. It’s all ultimately transient – yes, even them.
If you never sing along or dance, you probably don’t really understand music at all.
How most music sounds/how well it works depends on where and when you hear it.
Heard in the proper context, “Set You Free” by N-Trance is one of the most glorious, life-affirming pieces of music ever made. And that, in itself, speaks volumes, because it probably took about twenty minutes to write, and has all the depth and integrity of a greeting card message.
Moose the Mooche says
Bloody hell, remember my Bob Dylan Is Rubbish thread from a couple of years ago? I’d have got a better reception if I’d shat in the Pope’s hat.
Bingo Little says
BOB DYLAN IS OUR GREATEST LIVING POET – YOU LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!
deramdaze says
The most important member of The Yardbirds?
Eric Clapton? No.
Jeff Beck? No.
Jimmy Page? No.
Keith Relf? Yes.
badartdog says
I prefer Courtney Love’s music to that of Kurt Cobain.
Neela says
I was the right age for Nirvana and still didn´t get it. Mumble/scream/mumble/scream, fuzz on/off/on/off. Kurt was supposed to be the spokesman for my generation. We´re screwed, I guess. Hardly a Dylan, was he? Don´t like Sex Pistols either, but at least they were entertaining.
Although, to be fair, I don´t like Courtney´s music either…
Bingo Little says
Here’s another one: largely as a result of my time on this blog, I’m coming round to the idea that there is no meaningful objective hierarchy of quality for music. There’s just personal taste.
Hawkfall says
I agree with you Bingo. And so do my Angel Witch records.
Moose the Mooche says
No hierarchy? Not even one that involves da Bizkit?
Bingo Little says
Da Bizkit don’t make music, they make proper art.
aging hippy says
The Byrds and The Doors were the best 60’s bands.
fatima Xberg says
“Neither Fish Nor Flesh” by Terence Trent d’Arby is one of the most wonderful albums of all time and certainly belongs in any Best Album of The 80s Top Ten.
By the way, I think “Hejira” is Joni’s best album. Really.
Tiggerlion says
I agree with both of those statements.
Gatz says
Frank Sinatra sang painfully flat.
Then again, I remember someone here saying that he was appalled when he found out the his girlfriend regarded his adoration of Sinatra as a kind of camp affectation, like saying you collected everything by Bucks Fizz.
Moose the Mooche says
“I don’t belieeeeve you really like Bucks Fizz”
Black Type says
I collected quite a few things Bucks Fizz-related back in the day – albums, singles, picture singles, concert tickets, calendars etc. I thought they were fab.
Vincent says
This is almost an article of faith to any of the subscribers here: FWIW, mine include:
“Second Coming” is a far better album than The Stone Roses’s first album.
Apart from a few singles, T Rex were as bad as Tyrannosaurus Rex.
John Lennon was the worst Beatle.
Iron Maiden are more of a “People’s Band” than “The Clash” ever were.
Bob Marley was over by 1974.
The Police were a better reggae band than UB40.
Solo Sting is better than The Police.
I could go on like a golf-club bore for several pages.
Gary says
Did The Police do anything that could be considered reggae? (Did solo Sting do anything that could be considered better than anything?)
fentonsteve says
I think by calling an album ‘Regatta de Blanc’ they might have thought it of themselves. Calling it ‘White Man’s Reggae’ would be too blunt/not pretentious enough even for Stingo.
Rigid Digit says
Second Coming is better than the debut
Dave Ross says
80’s pop / chart music was more inventive, interesting, fun and exciting than anything in the 60’s or 70’s.
Black Celebration says
I’m voting for Dave.
For every Sympathy for the Devil (good) there’s another hundred platters of permashit that is never played by anyone because it’s insultingly bad, cynical cash-in nonsense or it’s oily-haired superannuated crooners with velvet lapels singing about absolutely nothing.
dkhbrit says
Brother/Sista/Whatever!
The 80’s is the best decade for music in the last 50 years.
Hawkfall says
The best decade for pop music was 1978-1984. And it’s not even a decade!
deramdaze says
“It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
Not a comment on the above comments, but the phrase that nags away at me every time I’ve stumbled upon one of those Top of the Pops episodes on BBC 4 over the last few years.
Absolute shite from beginning to end – music, clothes, videos, hair – all presumptions about the utter and complete shite-ness of the 1980s confirmed by the bucket load.
Black Celebration says
“every time I’ve stumbled upon”…
“beginning to end”
Sir – these statements appear to confirm that you watch the shows in full and frequently and avidly note all aspects (“music, clothes, videos, hair). In short, you love the 80s.
minibreakfast says
You’ve rumbled him and no mistake! Deram the closet 80s lover!
MC Escher says
We’ll just pop you down as a “not sure,” shall we?
duco01 says
The best two albums of Joe Strummer’s life in music were “Sandinista!” and the soundtrack to Alex Cox’s film “Walker”.
RedLemon says
I think most of Nirvana’s output was unlistenable rubbish.
Not all. Most.
Rigid Digit says
Seconded – a triumph of reputation over substance
Jackthebiscuit says
Glam rock was not cheesy & inconsequential – it was (& to my tin ears, remains) fabulous.
Black Type says
I agree, though I’m not sure if many people thought/think it was cheesy and/or inconsequential.
Hawkfall says
I prefer cheesy and inconsequential pop music over the dignified and of consequence type.
MC Escher says
Oh God yes. Although to “most people” this is not perverse of course.
Sitheref2409 says
1. Bob Dylan – over rated, perverse and dull.
2. Big Country were better than U2 and/or The Alarm.
3. The Alarm were better than U2.
4. Teddy Thompson is the very talented one in that family.
5. The Stranglers should have quit after Hugh Cornwell left.
6. Swordfishtrombones is unlistenable rubbish.
Dave Ross says
The Alarm remain firmly in my top 3 gigs of all time. Hammersmith Palais Christmas 1984? Finished with “Merry Xmas Everybody”. Definitely better than U2
Lando Cakes says
You don’t like In the Neighbourhood? That really is perverse – it’s lovely. And Frank’s Wild Years is a hoot – “never could stand that dog”.
davebigpicture says
In The Neighbourhood was the first Waits I ever heard, on the Jonathan King show, Entertainment USA, IIRC. I still love it and the video is ace too.
retropath2 says
Give a boy a bagpipe or a banjo to hear and he will grow into a mighty ear.
Moose the Mooche says
For some reason I’m reminded of The Wrath of Khan.
fentonsteve says
Abba were better than either Bob Dylan or Pink Floyd. Or, rather, I own more records by Abba than either of those two.
The Dave Clarke Five* were better than either the Beatles of the Rolling Stones.
(*) Not really, but it was on the telly, so it must be true.
NigelT says
According to Dave Clark, so it must be true. The only, if you will, rockumentary I have ever switched off in anger!
fentonsteve says
I know… That’s precious BBC4 budget paying DC to come up with that cobblers!
Hawkfall says
Abba are underrated, but I think the better comparison is with other pop groups rather than those two. There’s a good case for saying that Abba were better than The Beatles. I listen to the former much more than the latter these days.
Moose the Mooche says
History has been completely rewritten about Abba. Prior to Gold coming out in 1992 it really wasn’t cool to like them, even if everyone did.
Listening exclusively to music that it is cool to like, no matter what era you live in, is a direct route to misery.
Hawkfall says
Divine Madness also came out in 1992 and everybody realised that the band that made all those great singles in the early 80s were actually, you know, “wicked” (I believe this what the teen-agers said in 1992).
I’m not sure what caused all this mass coming-to-their-senses among the British public when it came to these bands. I think it was probably the Maastricht Treaty.
Hawkfall says
I had Divine Madness on cassette. This was actually risky, as for whatever reason it came out on Virgin, and as everyone knows, Virgin cassettes usually sounded awful. It was fine, though.
#cassettechat
Moose the Mooche says
The NME liked Madness and even The Madness, even as the gen. pub. deserted them. They put Mad Not Mad in their top 100 albums of all time only weeks after its release (ditto Steve McQueen)
Even a stopped clock etc.
Hawkfall says
This is a perfectly reasonable and well-put point Moose. However, as it says positive things about the 80s NME, I’ve just scrunched it up into a ball and thrown it at the swots in the front of the class.
Sniffity says
“…positive things about the 80s NME…”
Illustrations by Ralph Steadman, Ian Wright and Serge Clerc, plus Benyon’s The Lone Groover and Lowry cartoons….what more could you want?
Hawkfall says
Well ok, let me change that to “Late 80s NME”, which was the time period I was reading it (and the one which Mad Not Mad was released).
Mike_H says
So, Mr Hawkfall, musical merit directly correlates to number of plays.
The fact that I have played just 12 Beatles tracks so far this year and only 8 ABBA tracks surely means the HJHM have inched back ahead.
However, it seems I’ve played 36 tracks by Sun Ra and 69 tracks by Magma so far. Evidently Sun Ra is 3 times as good as The Beatles and Magma are more than 8 times superior to ABBA. Sun Ra’s musicality has evidently remained about the same as it was in 2016. Magma’s performance has improved dramatically since I bought that 12-disc live box set.
Hawkfall says
It’s true that I’ve conflated listening to with merit in my comment. That’s a fair cop.
However, in your example, you’re using a relatively narrow time range (4 months or so). If you expanded that to say, 10 years and you found that you were listening to ABBA more often than the Beatles in that period, wouldn’t it be fair to say that you preferred listening to them these days?
And, taking the listening to part out of the question, I do think there’s a case for saying that Abba were a better pop group than The Beatles.
NigelT says
Love Peter Gabriel but hate Genesis with a passion.
Rigid Digit says
Phil Collins era Genesis was better than Peter Gabriel era Genesis
(despite Mike Rutherford repeating the same guitar riff for 30 years – he even took it with him to most of Mike and The Mechanics output)
Moose the Mooche says
Mike and the Mechanics were the band Genesis could have been.
count jim moriarty says
Me too.
deramdaze says
Fun this, isn’t it.
Michael Jackson was to dance moves what Katie Hopkins is to tact.
Gary says
Tosh and piffle. He was an amazing dancer.
https://www.thetoptens.com/dancers/
Moose the Mooche says
His name appearing in a list makes that a scientific fact!
Gary says
Exactly.
His father beat him into being a brilliant dancer from a very young age. Fucked him up as a human being but made him an amazing dancer. So, swings and roundabouts.
deramdaze says
Yep, that’s EXACTLY the kind of Top 10 list that makes the internet indispensable!
Usher above Fred Astaire…..oh good call, that man, see you down Covent Garden next Tuesday for a bit of ballet.
Gary says
I’ve never seen Usher dance. In fact I’ve never seen Usher. I’ve seen Fred though. I can see how maybe he might have been good for his time, perhaps. Not by modern standards though.
Ps. Here’s a test: see if you can find a list of the top ten dancers of all time on the interweb that doesn’t include MJ.
minibreakfast says
I think MJ was a brilliant modern dancer, but he doesn’t come close to Fred, who made even the most complex and taxing of movements look effortless.
I don’t know from Usher.
Gary says
I have to accept your opinion cos it was also MJ’s opinion. (I’m coming across as an MJ fan here. I’m not, honest. Though he did have his moments.)
minibreakfast says
Fred was certainly a huge influence on Michael.
Tiggerlion says
Brilliant!
metal mickey says
Mmmm, keep your Beyonces, I’ll take Cyd Charisse any day of the week…
Arthur Cowslip says
U2’s two best albums are Rattle and Hum and Zooropa, not the much-lauded era-defining classics that immediately preceded each of them (Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby).
Arthur Cowslip says
Blonde on Blonde should have been whittled down to a single great album, as should have Electric Ladyland.
Conversely, the Who’s Live At Leeds was improved immeasurably by extending it to a full double CD package from the original single LP.
Bartleby says
Agree on all three counts Arthur. As was Eric Clapton’s Rainbow Concert (much better extended).
Carolina says
Listening to Music Radio is no good later than 5pm (end of Steve Wright) when all that should prevail on radio thereafter is speech. The rule doesn’t apply to listening to actual music, or watching music documentaries or programmes on TV.
Moose the Mooche says
The end of Steve Wright is always a good idea.
Jackthebiscuit says
Born in the USA is Bruce Springsteen’s best album.
Sitheref2409 says
Y’know, that isn’t as crazy as it seems.
The only thing letting that album down is some of the production. Now that I think about it more, a stripped down version of those songs would have made it the successor to Nebraska, and probably an upgrade.
Born To Run, though, man. Born To Run.
Black Type says
I much prefer Tunnel Of Love.
Moose the Mooche says
The only Bruce album I find truly indispensable is Born to Run. This used to be a mainstream opinion and is now…. not.
Tiggerlion says
The only Bruce album I ever liked is Darkness At The Edge Town.
Rigid Digit says
Give ‘Em Enough Rope is better than London Calling (or indeed any Clash album)
fishface says
I prefer Story of the Clash to any of the mainstream albums.
Moose the Mooche says
Amen – it’s brilliant.
Rigid Digit says
Led Zeppelin spent most of the 70s treading water,
I, II, III and IV are pretty much indispensable – after that though, it’s tread carefully time
(Yes, there are some very good tracks on later albums – a lot of filler though)
Rigid Digit says
Oasis were a great band
Moose the Mooche says
I said no trolling.
Rigid Digit says
Garry Bushell is a cock
(Oh wait … you said perverse/troll-like opinions – I think that one is a universal truth)
Moose the Mooche says
That statement is not only on the wrong thread, it’s tautologous.
Rigid Digit says
There are only 2 Eric Clapton albums that you need to own:
The Beano album
Derek & The Dominoes – Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs
Tiggerlion says
Doesn’t everyone think that? (To be honest, I could live without the Beano album as well.)
Hawkfall says
I don’t own any Eric Clapton albums, and I’ve never really felt the need to change that. This is probably because I grew up in the 80s and for me, he’s the beardy guy who makes yuppie music.
fishface says
The Great Rock n’ Roll Swindle is a better album than Never Mind the Bollocks.
the best Sex Pistols song is 1- 2- 3 by The Professionals.
Rigid Digit says
Not sure I agree re: Swindle vs Bollocks (actually, I don’t agree), but The Professionals album – Didn’t See It Coming – is better than Swindle
bogl says
There are three bands that I just don’t get and can’t see why anyone else does. In reverse order:
The Doors: too much noodling, awful pub singer vocals.
The Clash: yawn.
But top of the pile: the Stones. “Massively overrated” doesn’t even come close.
Rufus T Firefly says
You’re right about the Stones. Jagger’s terrible American “accent” in any mode (blues, rawk or – God ‘elp us – country (especially country)) is consistently embarrassing.
But the Clash were great and Jim M had one of the great baritones.
Moose the Mooche says
Jim Morrison a pub singer? N’ wonder he was always pissed.
“This is the end…. aintcha got homes to go to?”
Lando Cakes says
That is actually pretty much what happens in a club called Apocalypse Now in Ho Chi Minh City.
Moose the Mooche says
Needn’t go that far. You could find people resembling both the Marlon Brando and Dennis Hopper characters from that film in pretty much every pub in Hull.
Err nerr, the horrah!
Rufus T Firefly says
Queen were fantastic. Until Bohemian Rhapsody.
Tilt is one of the greatest albums ever made.
Love were the quintessential 60s band.
The Secret Machines may have been the last great rock band.
Moose the Mooche says
If your second remark is about the Lightning Seeds I’m inclined to agree.
Rufus T Firefly says
I meant the Scott Walker one. Makes perfect sense at around 4.00AM after far too much red wine. I haven’t tried the Lighting Seeds one in similar circumstances. Yet.
Moose the Mooche says
Bouncer See Bouncer while pissed up in the dark? Brave hombre!
Rufus T Firefly says
I live on the edge…
Moose the Mooche says
It’s a beautiful niiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGHHHHHTT
….bugger, spilt me Rioja!
duco01 says
Is “Tilt” better than “Climate of Hunter”?
Because I’ve been trying to enjoy “Climate of Hunter” for about 30 years … with little success.
Moose the Mooche says
Edit it down to two tracks – Sleepwalkers Woman and Blanket Roll Blues. Hey presto! It’s a masterpiece.
Rufus T Firefly says
It’s very different. Thematically Tilt is much heavier, orchestral in places and highly dramatic. More experimental than Climate of Hunter. I love both. Of the two I’d say Tilt is the more challenging listen.
Moose the Mooche says
And then you get The Drift… I remember some reviewer saying “The Drift makes Tilt sound like the Kaiser Chiefs”. Heh heh heh.
Hawkfall says
Queen were fantastic after Bohemian Rhapsody too.
Whether they were fantastic after We Will Rock You and We Are The Champions is debatable.
Lando Cakes says
My own favourite: The second Stone Roses album, Second Coming, is much better than their debut.
Moose the Mooche says
If this is so heretical, how come three people have said it on this thread?
…sorry, I’m still bitter about it. Four years I waited for that piece of crap.
Izzy says
Second coming by a pop combo Stone Roses is better than their first record album. I’m appalled no one mentioned it thus far on this thread.
Moose the Mooche says
Grrrrr…. second going more like…
Sewer Robot says
The Second Coming is as much fun as coming after a second..
Moose the Mooche says
…as in unit of time or class of university degree?
Lando Cakes says
Salt in the wound.
Billybob Dylan says
The Jam were significantly overrated. I returned ‘This Is The Modern World’ to the shop when it first came out because it was so poor.
I still quite like ‘In The City’ and it’s probably their best LP. I wouldn’t know as I’ve never heard any other Jam album.
Sitheref2409 says
Plausible regarding albums.
But the run of singles? Over rated? C’mon.
Moose the Mooche says
Apart from Sound Affects I’ve always found the albums very ropey.
Moose the Mooche says
Alan Partridge – My favourite Beatles album is…. the best of the Beatles.
Us – ha ha ha ha ha haaa!
….and yet, in your heart of hearts, what Beatles album would you take to a desert island? Be honest. I’d take the Red album. Many would take the Blue album – my second choice. Many would take 1.
….all describable as the Best of the Beatles.
NigelT says
I’d take Love – there’s heresy for you!
Bartleby says
Up is REM’s best album. By a country mile.
Alex Harvey should have replaced Bon Scott (who wrote lots of Back in Black).
Hawkfall says
I’m not sure Alex Harvey was in a fit state to replace anyone in 1980 though Bartle, though I agree that he was a better fit than Beano. Could’ve been worse though, apparently they auditioned Marc Storace from Krokus. *shudders*.
Bartleby says
Yes, they’d probably had enough of unreliable dipsomaniacs too. And Back in Black is glorious. But boy would Alex have been a good lyrical and vocal fit.
Hawkfall says
Millie Jackson made better records than anyone else called Jackson (first name or second).
duco01 says
Wot, better than the great Al Jackson Jr, Stax drummer supreme? I think not, Mr Hawky, sir!
Hawkfall says
Is it his name on the records though Duco? Eh? Well?
*moves Millie back to the top of the Jackson League Ladder*
Moose the Mooche says
Joe Jackson is better than all of them.
*note to self: check they are related*
Declan says
Well, Off The Wall/Thriller/Bad are a beautifully-produced triptych with few quality drops, Quincy Jones magic. My kids love them so they get a regular airing.
But my Jackson vote goes to Ronald Shannon Jackson. Warning: not easy listening.
Leicester Bangs says
I wouldn’t give a toss if I never went to another concert in my life.
Lemonhope says
Yes! I’ve been to hundreds and properly enjoyed maybe five
Moose the Mooche says
Oh god, this.
“But the atmosphere!”…. yes, piss and BO. I get enough of that at home.
Sewer Robot says
Yes, but what a treat for Mrs Moose’s refined nose when you go out…
Sitheref2409 says
Might one suggest that you are perhaps going to the wrong venues. In the 16 years I’ve been going to concerts in the States, there’s only been one venue that hinted at olfactory danger. Yes, Black Cat, you. And no, red paint is not conducive to a good night out.
Moose the Mooche says
…unless it’s on a floozy’s fingernails.
fortuneight says
Nickelback’s album “All The Right Reasons” is quite good. So there.
Black Type says
With reference to the ‘Tilt’ conversation above, I contend that The Walker Brothers are better than Scott solo.
metal mickey says
Hmmm, define your terms… Scott 1,2,3,4 & ‘Til The Band Comes In (even side 2!) is a pretty unbeatable self-contained canon… unfortunately his poor mid-period and later avant-garde stuff (much as I enjoy it) dilutes the whole Scott collection somewhat (I tend to think of him as 2 separate artists if that makes any sense. )
The 3 Brothers albums are good (especially Portrait), but only a Best Of (After The Lights Go Out is excellent) is really in contention with solo Scott for my money…
(and what about Nite Flights?! The exact mid-point where the Brothers and avant-garde Scott meet…)
Black Type says
Solo Scott is to be admired for it’s artistry and intellectual depth, but the Walker Brothers songs pack a huge emotional punch. Now, I like wit and intelligence in music as much as the next guy, but in this case I have, er, no regrets about saying it’s very much the heart over the art.
MC Escher says
Paul Weller did his best stuff whilst in the Style Council. And it’s dated better than the music both pre and post TSC
fatima Xberg says
I’m probably the only person (apart from Sir Paul himself) who likes the “Flowers In The Dirt” Deluxe Edition. And to make it worse, I don’t think it’s overpriced either.
http://chickswithdisks.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/flowers-in-the-dirt/
Milkybarnick says
Re:many of the song plagiarism cases of recent years. There can only really be a finite number of tunes that cut it as pop songs, and if one sounds like another, it’s quite possibly due to coincidence rather than theft.
Pessoa says
In the 1960s Los Angeles scene, The Seeds were a better band than The Doors.
Campo says
Rock music sounds much better in French, Spanish, Portugese or any other Latin language.
Neela says
Simon solo is more enjoyable than Simon & Garfunkel, even if I say that as a fan of S & G as well.